TWU negotiations.........what?

[Bob Owens]

I e-mailed Todd with Bob Owens verbage on why this is a bad proposal. I also questioned his stance on the GEO pay issue this was his reply

[size="3"]"Anthony,

The regional pay was not what it was intended and not across the board is why it is gone. You can't give up something you don't have. It wasn't a mandated item either, it was my item. No one is going to agree to New York walking out with more than anyone else.
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I guess he has the true twu mentality where every loaf of bread costs the same.

Funny thing is why would he vote for it one day, then vote to take it out the next morning? Its my understanding that the chart has been unchanged since they created it a year before I took office.

What was the regional pay intended for if it wasnt to adjust for the different cost of living between regions?

The fact is its gone because Tony and Todd made the motion to remove it. They voted for it one day then against it the next and nothing changed-except their minds.

New York would not have walked "out with more the anybody else", they would have walked out with the same as SFO, HNL,SNA,SJC,and LAX

Here's the breakdown'
$1.25 for SFO, HNL,SNA,SJC,LGA, JFK LAX
$1.00 for SAN,DCA,IAD,BOS
$0.75 for EWR.PHL,SEA,FLL
$0.50 for BDL, BWI,MIA,ORD,MSP
$0.25 for LAS, DEN,MCO,MSY,SLC,PHX,TPA,TUS

 

[MCI transplant]

<_< Hell! What's the big deal?----- The IAM did it for HNL, at TWA, 30 years ago!!!

 

[TIME FOR CHANGE]

They must have made him an offer at the private dinner that he couldnt refuse.

 

[The Goose]

They must have made him an offer at the private dinner that he couldnt refuse.

... perhaps the offer included a pair of cement overshoes ...

 

[TWU informer]

AMR Management 101

Must fly Airplane Seats around the Globe at a loss.

Must fly Airplane Seats around the Globe at a loss.

Must fly Airplane Seats around the Globe at a loss.
Must fly Airplane Seats around the Globe at a loss.

Must then get bonus awards and demand concessions from my employees!

 

[SDFEagle]

TWU has no members at any non-hub stations I know of. I have been told that there is an agreement in place (wish I could get a copy) that the Union automatically moves in when a station has a defined number of flights daily.

Is this so?

If not, is there any similar agreement in place?

Thanks

 

[Rogallo]

The Company will continue to assign American Airlines TWU represented employees in classifications designated by the Company to all stations wherein such TWU represented Fleet Service employees are assigned currently with 2555 and above annual departures or 1460 for Ground Service employees and will staff new cities (those not currently staffed by the TWU) at or above 5475 annual departures for Fleet Service employees and 3650 for Ground Service employees. The Company will also restaff former TWU staffed cities that have been de-staffed once those cities reach 2555 and above annual departures for Fleet Service employees and 1460 for Ground Service employees

 

[Vortilon]

Word is that boys from MIA have had some disturbing meetings locally and on their roadshow. Todd Woodward and Co. were talking about the fact that AA has already secured a law firm in preparation for a bankruptcy filing around Sept. That is unless, we accept what the company offers us. Sound familiar? h34r:

 

[Hopeful]

Word is that boys from MIA have had some disturbing meetings locally and on their roadshow. Todd Woodward and Co. were talking about the fact that AA has already secured a law firm in preparation for a bankruptcy filing around Sept. That is unless, we accept what the company offers us. Sound familiar? h34r:

Why not...It's the best page from their playbook.. But don't worry, the executives are exempt from any pain.

 

[JFK Fleet Service]

Executive contracts are iron clad nonnegotiable irrevocable instruments that can not be trifled with, lest we fail to keep the top flight talent currently running the airline into the ground.

You know, the kind of management the comes to the conclusion that having a reduction in force heading into the summer travel season is a good idea.I keep hearing demand has fallen off a cliff, but from where I'm standing you'd be hard pressed to prove it.The flights are FULL.

I know full doesn't equate with profitability,but this idea of demand evaporating I keep hearing about doesn't seem to have materialized.

 

[FWAAA]

You know, the kind of management the comes to the conclusion that having a reduction in force heading into the summer travel season is a good idea.I keep hearing demand has fallen off a cliff, but from where I'm standing you'd be hard pressed to prove it.The flights are FULL.

I know full doesn't equate with profitability,but this idea of demand evaporating I keep hearing about doesn't seem to have materialized.

There's a price at which airlines can fill every seat no matter how severe the economic downturn, and airlines have been seeing that price fall and fall.

Additionally, AA has cut many flights, so it makes sense the remaining flights would be full.

The dropoff in demand is not so much for cheap coach seats, the real pain is in the evaporating demand for premium seats and the much lower prices airlines can charge now that many of the premium seat customers are no longer buying (or employed). Here's an example of the pain airlines are feeling:

More evidence emerged Tuesday that a bad economy pushes passengers to the back of the plane, as a trade group reported that traffic in the high-end airline seats fell 22 percent in April.

Revenue from those passengers fell even faster, down an estimated 44 percent from April 2008, the International Air Transport Association reported.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/IATA-Premium...ml?x=0&.v=5

That's just one article of many on the subject. So industry-wide, premium traffic fell 22% yoy in April and premium revenue has fallen a whopping 44% yoy. The remaining F and J passengers are paying much lower fares. AA's F and J seats to/from London are going begging, and that's gonna hurt total revenue in huge ways, even though many domestic flights are still packed to the gills.

Recently, AA estimated that 2d quarter unit revenue was down more than 16% in the second quarter compared to last year's second quarter. UA's estimates of its unit revenue decline is more than 18% for the second quarter. Fuel is down, but passenger revenue and cargo revenue dropoffs exceeed the fuel savings.

The reduction in force going into the summer season? That's because AA is grounding airplanes. Between last fall and this Labor Day, 34 AB6s will be parked along with quite a few MD-80s.

 

[Dan Cunningham]

Dear Rogollo,

"The Company will continue to assign American Airlines TWU represented employees in classifications designated by the Company to all stations wherein such TWU represented Fleet Service employees are assigned currently with 2555 and above annual departures or 1460 for Ground Service employees"

I don't see Ground Service employee in any twu contract I have nor the specific language in the AA controlled basic agreement. Perhaps you can define, per NMB Craft and Class definitions, what a Ground Service employee is and where in the contract your statement above is contained.

Thank you,

Dan Cunningham

 

[Bob Owens]

There's a price at which airlines can fill every seat no matter how severe the economic downturn, and airlines have been seeing that price fall and fall.

Additionally, AA has cut many flights, so it makes sense the remaining flights would be full.

The dropoff in demand is not so much for cheap coach seats, the real pain is in the evaporating demand for premium seats and the much lower prices airlines can charge now that many of the premium seat customers are no longer buying (or employed). Here's an example of the pain airlines are feeling:



http://finance.yahoo.com/news/IATA-Premium...ml?x=0&.v=5

That's just one article of many on the subject. So industry-wide, premium traffic fell 22% yoy in April and premium revenue has fallen a whopping 44% yoy. The remaining F and J passengers are paying much lower fares. AA's F and J seats to/from London are going begging, and that's gonna hurt total revenue in huge ways, even though many domestic flights are still packed to the gills.

Recently, AA estimated that 2d quarter unit revenue was down more than 16% in the second quarter compared to last year's second quarter. UA's estimates of its unit revenue decline is more than 18% for the second quarter. Fuel is down, but passenger revenue and cargo revenue dropoffs exceeed the fuel savings.

The reduction in force going into the summer season? That's because AA is grounding airplanes. Between last fall and this Labor Day, 34 AB6s will be parked along with quite a few MD-80s.

So rip out first class and fill it with coach seats, SWA has made a ton of money , every year for over 30 years selling nothing but "cheap seats".

 

[Bob Owens]

Word is that boys from MIA have had some disturbing meetings locally and on their roadshow. Todd Woodward and Co. were talking about the fact that AA has already secured a law firm in preparation for a bankruptcy filing around Sept. That is unless, we accept what the company offers us. Sound familiar? h34r:

Thats bull. First of all by lowering our demands we screwed ourselves if the company does go BK and whether of not they go BK has nothing to do woth us, the pilots may have some effect due to their big pensions but us, no way.

Look at whats going on in the industry, The IBT is in talks with Continental, their dispatchers (TWU?) just got a 13% increase over 4 years and they didnt give up nearly as much as we did. (10% raise and a 3% 401K contribution in addition to their pension). Continental alraedy earns around $10k more than we do.

The IBT contract at UAL becomes amendable in December. UAL can only threaten Liquidation, the IBT has something to prove or they will likely be decertified, UAL has gone from the IAM to AMFA to IBT.

I believe the IBT is also involved in AirTran.

The IBT may be organizing Jet Blue. I spoke nto a few of their mechanics and they are fed up with the kool aid, they feel they are structured like SWA they want to be paid like SWA.

You have to remember that the IBT represents UPS and they are at the top of the scale as far as A&P pay. The IBT usually doesnt like wide gaps between members who do the same work. In the past they've raided unions that they felt sold their members labor at rates that were less than they were able to get. Look for the IBT to make big demands at UAL, AirTran and maybe Jet Blue.

Right now we are already on the lower end of the scale for majors. By 2011 we will likely be number 5 or 6 in pay with an unprecidented gap between us and the top. By 2011 we will lag SWA, the number two in pay for aircraft mechanics.

 

[Rogallo]

Dear Rogollo,

"The Company will continue to assign American Airlines TWU represented employees in classifications designated by the Company to all stations wherein such TWU represented Fleet Service employees are assigned currently with 2555 and above annual departures or 1460 for Ground Service employees"

I don't see Ground Service employee in any twu contract I have nor the specific language in the AA controlled basic agreement. Perhaps you can define, per NMB Craft and Class definitions, what a Ground Service employee is and where in the contract your statement above is contained.

Thank you,

Dan Cunningham

Hello Dan

I got it from Jetnet. Under 'Policies and Procedures', 'Resources And Manuals', 'Collective Bargaining Agreements', 'TWU Fleet Service', Article 1, Page 1, Paragraph c . Agreement dated April 15, 2003.

https://www.jetnet.aa.com/jetnet/kb/cbaabvw.asp

Is this not the current contract in effect at AA for Fleet Service?