TWU negotiations.........what?

[MTheory]

The question at hand is why aren't the votes provided to the membership by the negotiating committee without having to ask or keep track. It should be an offical record and posted like they do with our elected representatives in congress and the senate. Do they have to keep score on how everyone votes or they are just special compared to us. pressure the people who are against publishing votes rather than the minority of people who support it.

Respecfully.....You were not at negotiations. I would rather Mr. Owens answer for his own actions. Even if he is in the minority, I didnt think that he would allow himself to be controlled by the ATD. Dont hide behind others actions. Do what you think is right.

 

[Chuck Schalk]

Respecfully.....You were not at negotiations. I would rather Mr. Owens answer for his own actions. Even if he is in the minority, I didnt think that he would allow himself to be controlled by the ATD. Dont hide behind others actions. Do what you think is right.

are you in support of published votes? and what lengths would you go to make this happen? Who is your president and how did he vote for starters?
I know that Bob Owens was motioning to put benefits and money back in the proposal(exercise) and he was voted down. was your President one of them who said no? Use your efforts to make the nay sayers fess up, not the one's who try to stay the course.

 

[Hopeful]

It's going to be quite interesting when the company rejects the TWU's "OH PLEASE GIVE US THIS...PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE..." offer....

Everyone needs to understand the company DOES NOT WANT TO GIVE ANYONE ANYTHING UNLESS YOU ARE IN MANGEMENT.......They want more concessions UNLESS YOU'RE IN MANAGEMENT.....


THE ONLY THING THEY UNDERSTAND IS POOR ON TIME PERFORMANCE.....

GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEADS..................................AND STOP BEGGING FOR CRUMBS....

 

[TWU informer]

This is actually a company and company/union ploy.

The company will reject this offer, and then later in the Fall offer a slightly better deal, with an early out, and new hire concessions.

After 25 years I have seen this before. This was nothing more than "lower expectations" move designed to assist the move coming later.

How many times must you all be fooled by the same process?

TO grasp the concept, you must understand that AA/TWU are indeed "working together" and they are one in same working towards an outcome they have both already agreed upon.

The "TWU is a Company Union" is not just a rally cry for disgruntled mechanics, it happens to be the absolute TRUTH

 

[MTheory]

are you in support of published votes? and what lengths would you go to make this happen? Who is your president and how did he vote for starters?
I know that Bob Owens was motioning to put benefits and money back in the proposal(exercise) and he was voted down. was your President one of them who said no? Use your efforts to make the nay sayers fess up, not the one's who try to stay the course.

First off, this is not about me.
If Owens was motioning to do what you say, why isnt it being published? I am in support of published votes, I thought Owens (my President) was also. The lack of info speaks volumes otherwise.

 

[TWU informer]

If Owens was motioning to do what you say, why isnt it being published? I am in support of published votes, I thought Owens (my President) was also. The lack of info speaks volumes otherwise.

Owens is being held silent by the negotiating committee and threat of removal.

Surely after years of TWU representation you folks have got this figured out now?

 

[The Goose]

Informer, I have always considered you as a friend and though we haven't been in agreement within our beliefs I don't hold that against you. Yes, I'm still in opposition to what the AMFA had to offer and to whom they wished to represent here at AA. With that said. I'm still supportive of the TWU, only through our current agreement!

From what I see with the direction of the current bargaining process and our status as members of our Local, we are of little importance. The position and direction of our negotiating committee weighs heavy upon my mind.

The focused agenda of the negotiating committee has soiled the air I breathe...

"It reaks of the smell of AMFA"!

The membership of the TWU has been of little importance for quite a while, Mr. Steel.

The AMFA has a far-superior constitution that allowed for recall of any POS officer including the National Director (the lack of such provision being Jim Little's only salvation). Their downfall was encouraging class warfare within the ranks rather than admitting to the reality of where real power is based - in sheer numbers and a cohesive mindset of its membership.

Unfortunately, the best constitution in the world can't compensate for the human trash that always manages to worm its way into being elected or appointed positions of trust they do not deserve. This is true for any organization, not just labor unions or associations.

It's very evident the TWU negotiators were bought off by Little and the company (one in the same). These people are not working for our benefit with regard to a contract. Unfortunately, any other union or association would probably be taking the company's side also since that's where the money is and most unions are in "survival" mode - they are responding to the highest bidder - AMR's company union, the TWU, is an excellent example. Where else could management personnel pollute union buildings by their presence and get away with it?

Remember Mr. Steel - we could easily get this kind of "offer" without the so-called "assistance" of a company union. It sickens me these SOBs have the nerve to call themselves our representation when for years they've represented the company to a far greater extent than they have those who pay the bills through their dues payments. They haven't even the 'nads to tell the membership how they vote with respect to negotiations, knowing full well they'd be removed from their cushy positions they shouldn't have been allowed to hold anyway.

Until we can get the former AA management out of the TWU's top union job we haven't a prayer.

BTW - please note I have no favorites here. I do believe workers deserve representation by a union or other entity if they desire it. I also believe any official of that representational entity violating the workers' trust should have an immediate date with the guillotine, a firing squad, or the hangman.

 

[MTheory]

Owens is being held silent by the negotiating committee and threat of removal.

Surely after years of TWU representation you folks have got this figured out now?

Never stopped him before. I would rather have a Pres. stand up for his membership than be "held silent".

 

[TWU informer]

Never stopped him before. I would rather have a Pres. stand up for his membership than be "held silent".

He still has an account to post here.

We are all still in the dark as to what is taking place in negotiations.

Maybe I am wrong that appears to be a silenced leader.

With all due respect to Mr. Owens, he and nobody else will ever change or fix the TWU.

 

[Birdman]

This is actually a company and company/union ploy.

The company will reject this offer, and then later in the Fall offer a slightly better deal, with an early out, and new hire concessions.

After 25 years I have seen this before. This was nothing more than "lower expectations" move designed to assist the move coming later.

How many times must you all be fooled by the same process?

TO grasp the concept, you must understand that AA/TWU are indeed "working together" and they are one in same working towards an outcome they have both already agreed upon.

The "TWU is a Company Union" is not just a rally cry for disgruntled mechanics, it happens to be the absolute TRUTH

I will be shocked if the compAAny rejects this offer.

 

[Man of the People]

I will be shocked if the compAAny rejects this offer.

Be sure to have the defibrillator close by.

 

[enough already]

I will be shocked if the compAAny rejects this offer.

Surely you jest! 😛h34r:

 

[High Speed Steel]

The membership of the TWU has been of little importance for quite a while, Mr. Steel.

The AMFA has a far-superior constitution that allowed for recall of any POS officer including the National Director (the lack of such provision being Jim Little's only salvation). Their downfall was encouraging class warfare within the ranks rather than admitting to the reality of where real power is based - in sheer numbers and a cohesive mindset of its membership.

Unfortunately, the best constitution in the world can't compensate for the human trash that always manages to worm its way into being elected or appointed positions of trust they do not deserve. This is true for any organization, not just labor unions or associations.

It's very evident the TWU negotiators were bought off by Little and the company (one in the same). These people are not working for our benefit with regard to a contract. Unfortunately, any other union or association would probably be taking the company's side also since that's where the money is and most unions are in "survival" mode - they are responding to the highest bidder - AMR's company union, the TWU, is an excellent example. Where else could management personnel pollute union buildings by their presence and get away with it?

Remember Mr. Steel - we could easily get this kind of "offer" without the so-called "assistance" of a company union. It sickens me these SOBs have the nerve to call themselves our representation when for years they've represented the company to a far greater extent than they have those who pay the bills through their dues payments. They haven't even the 'nads to tell the membership how they vote with respect to negotiations, knowing full well they'd be removed from their cushy positions they shouldn't have been allowed to hold anyway.

Until we can get the former AA management out of the TWU's top union job we haven't a prayer.

BTW - please note I have no favorites here. I do believe workers deserve representation by a union or other entity if they desire it. I also believe any official of that representational entity violating the workers' trust should have an immediate date with the guillotine, a firing squad, or the hangman.

Goose,

I do agree that the recall language is present within the AMFA Constitution. "But the language is weak", do to the process of implementation. If it really had any teeth, I would assume that the AMFA would still be representing the Mechanics at United, and perhaps with the failed strike at Northwest we may have seen some kind of recall and leadership change. Not by folks vanishing, or stepping down, but by a true use of the recall language......

Like I said. The language to my knowledge is still weak....!

 

[Birdman]

Surely you jest! 😛h34r:

Do you think the membership will approve it? Is the membership outraged that the union would actually propose this deal? There is no threat the compAAny will lose their toy union so why not throw it into further disarray. Divide and conquer.

 

[JimJimmyJim]

Surely you jest! 😛h34r:

The company will reject it, but if brought to the members it will pass. I will be a no but,it will pass if brought back.