TWU negotiations.........what?

[JFK Fleet Service]

http://aa.twu.org/default.asp?Display=16

Hey look great news. They agreed that they're going to meet again. I'm getting goosebumps now. New slogan, "No Retro, No Way". AA wanted a 2 year extension and they're going to play this out just to get it.

Don't tell me you're still expecting retro? We've had a couple of (Local) union VP's basically tell us "There isn't going to be retro pay, get that idea out of your heads."

I'm curious to see what they give away this time...

 

[SkydrolJunkie]

This contract, when we finally get one, will be the 'Mother' of all concessionary contracts that the TWU is famous for negotiating.

 

[High Speed Steel]

"A new slogan"? That is almost as exciting as our negotiators meeting 2 days every 2 months.

Why not have a two week long negotiation session and try to get something done?

The TWU is for stalling as much as AA is.

My guess is there is a deal already done between the two, and we are just waiting for their chosen date to get it out to us.

I have to agree with you here Informer. I'm not impressed on what I have seen so-far. I will be "Voting NO".............. :down:

It has been pre-determined that I have no voice! So I hope that my vote will hold up. From what I've seen so far I hope my vote as a member will hold up too, but I guess that can be ignored too. Just hope I can make it to retirement <_<

 

[TWU informer]

I believe the "stall plan" is designed to lower expectations. The agreement in principle is already done. It is obvious.

 

[Bob Owens]

I agree with the poster above -- is this really the best you can come up with to complain about?... Outside the RLA, you don't usually find companies offering full time employees to trade shifts.

I run a 24 hour operation with a half dozen hourly employees. The only way full timers can CS is on a one for one basis, and it can't put either employee in a position where they work more than 40 hours in the Saturday-Friday work week, or more than 8 hours on a given day. Unfortunately, the full timers also all have Saturday-Sunday off, so the best they can do is arrange to cover someone else's shift and swap start times. I've got a couple part timers who can pick up a shift from a full-timer, but the full timer usually winds up getting docked.

In short, it rarely happens. If I could run on the airline's exception for overtime calculations, we'd allow it, but we don't.

Wrong again, maybe in the non-union sweat shop that you run people cant swap but in most 24/7 operations that I know of they can including Firemen, Police, Nurses and airline workers. Most employers realize that it cuts down on lost time and turnover.

Whats your turnover rate?

 

[Chuck Schalk]

Don't tell me you're still expecting retro? We've had a couple of (Local) union VP's basically tell us "There isn't going to be retro pay, get that idea out of your heads."

I'm curious to see what they give away this time...

same story, same result, "we live to fight another day" "we will get them next time"

same script!

 

[Vortilon]

The union has a new posting up on the M&R negotiations website, the proposal they submitted to the company today asks for 6% DOS, & 3.5% raise for each of the next two years. There is more like improving SK pay & holiday pay. It really is very modest.

 

[WeAAsles]

:down: Thats not anything even close to what I would vote yes for. 6% lump sum (lousy) and no retro. I might go for it if it was a 6% raise and retro'd? The other modest improvements are lousy also. I'd have to see what kind of variable compensation is included? PUP pay for us, leap, profit sharing formula, etc. We need improvements in ID and sick time too It's really seems to me like the M&R negotiating committee is beginning the bend over process. :unsure:

 

[frontline]

same story, same result, "we live to fight another day" "we will get them next time"

same script!

I also hate this mentality. In the face of the layoffs and capacity reductions, is there an alternative this time?

Restore and more drains more cash and leads to yet more layoffs and shrinkage. Is it worth risking the jobs and wages we still have?

 

[Birdman]

:down: Thats not anything even close to what I would vote yes for. 6% lump sum (lousy) and no retro. I might go for it if it was a 6% raise and retro'd? The other modest improvements are lousy also. I'd have to see what kind of variable compensation is included? PUP pay for us, leap, profit sharing formula, etc. We need improvements in ID and sick time too It's really seems to me like the M&R negotiating committee is beginning the bend over process. :unsure:

Ok, so the compAAny offers a two year deal last May of 08 that included a 5% lump, 3.5% lump at +12, 3 vacation days, 3 holidays (all of which have been forfeited to date), 1.5 to 2.0 holiday pay when worked, 100% sick pay restored, and other incidentals. A year later the TWU counters with much less? :angry: TWU represetation and a cup of coffeeRICELESS

 

[enough already]

:down: Thats not anything even close to what I would vote yes for. 6% lump sum (lousy) and no retro. I might go for it if it was a 6% raise and retro'd? The other modest improvements are lousy also. I'd have to see what kind of variable compensation is included? PUP pay for us, leap, profit sharing formula, etc. We need improvements in ID and sick time too It's really seems to me like the M&R negotiating committee is beginning the bend over process. :unsure:

The only retro we'll see is when we take another concession and they want us to give them back pay!!!! :blink:

 

[toroshark]

This proposal by the TWU negotiating comittee is very disappointing. While the company has not even bothered to offer anything close to acceptable, our negotiators propose something so weak that it is already a no vote for me. To think that this is the highwater mark of what we can expect is very sad to say the least. How many more months will pass and how much more watered-down will this be before we vote on this excrement?

 

[WeAAsles]

I'm just wondering how much cost savings have been achieved since 03? My guess would be with all of the in house work being done for other airlines and how many less TWU members are on the payroll today what we gave up has been mitigated and then some? If AA gave us back everything they would still be ahead of the game I'm sure? Moral would return and they would probably save even more money by the fact that we might take pride in our jobs again? And we also know that future hire pensions are probably going to go the way of the Dodo bird :blink: How much is that going to save them?

Look maybe thats just the way things have to be right now? Less of an upfront raise in return for more performance based pay? I don't mind that because when the climate changes that can be very lucrative. ( I think on average CAL employees got $7000 last year in profit sharing? And with that it puts us WAY below industry leading pay on AA's pie chart, fleet) Remember that the offer from the company last year included basically closing a ton of stations and giving up retiree medical also. I don't know about you guys but I'm not going to sell out other people that have been with AA for years for my own needs.

At the end of the day the union is going to have a very tough sell for whatever is thrown out to us. And we can't afford to take anymore steps backward either. You can say that oh it'll never get to me because of my seniority, but thats not what it's all about either.

 

[TWU informer]

The company and the company union have had this planned for sometime now.

Can anyone on the negotiating committee explain why the sudden capitulation? Was the company presentation that threatening?

Did Steve Luis pull a roll call vote and finally show himself to be true to fear and cowardice?

I am confused but not surprised.

When are one of you new "officers" that are there for the membership going to give us the low down on what just happened?

 

[limit]

The company and the company union have had this planned for sometime now.

Can anyone on the negotiating committee explain why the sudden capitulation? Was the company presentation that threatening?

Did Steve Luis pull a roll call vote and finally show himself to be true to fear and cowardice?

I am confused but not surprised.

When are one of you new "officers" that are there for the membership going to give us the low down on what just happened?

Do not worry.
We just need Dennis to run again in Tulsa,so that he can put his hand back in that pocket.
Freaking losers.