TWU negotiations.........what?

Bob Owens said:
What makes you feel that the pilots are putting the company in jeopardy? Because the company said so?
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No, because I can read the numbers on my own. Two main reasons:

1. Pilot wage demands, especially in the current recession, will drain the company of cash and push it toward Chap 11 or 7.

2. The pilots are militant and apparently want to brandish the strike weapon. I can't think of a faster route to bk, wage reductions and loss of benefits.
 
frontline said:
No, because I can read the numbers on my own. Two main reasons:

1. Pilot wage demands, especially in the current recession, will drain the company of cash and push it toward Chap 11 or 7.

2. The pilots are militant and apparently want to brandish the strike weapon. I can't think of a faster route to bk, wage reductions and loss of benefits.
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This is a worry I have as well. The numbers are not looking good for the economic situation here as a whole, and I think it is going to be quite some time before folks are willing to spend their extra cash, if they have it, on frivilous things like air travel if they don't have to. It would be disasterous the scenario you alluded to were to play out.
 
wingit88 said:
This is a worry I have as well. The numbers are not looking good for the economic situation here as a whole, and I think it is going to be quite some time before folks are willing to spend their extra cash, if they have it, on frivilous things like air travel if they don't have to. It would be disasterous the scenario you alluded to were to play out.
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Unless, of course, you're a recession proof executive with guaranteed PUPs.
 
frontline said:
No, because I can read the numbers on my own. Two main reasons:

1. Pilot wage demands, especially in the current recession, will drain the company of cash and push it toward Chap 11 or 7.

2. The pilots are militant and apparently want to brandish the strike weapon. I can't think of a faster route to bk, wage reductions and loss of benefits.
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The pilots wont be going on strike. If anything the industry is even more consolidated now than it was in 97. The pilots want everything back and they should get it. The company is making more money now than ever before and they are doing it with less people and less airplanes. If less people fly then get rid of more airplanes and let attrition take care of the surpluss headcount.

For years we were told to sacrifice to fund "The growth Plan", well we funded that and then they still didnt want to pay us, then to fund "The Turnaround Plan", REvenue up by nearly $7 billion with 24000 less employees and they still dont want to pay us, I think we've all had enough of sacrificing for plans that have no benifit for us. If $24 billion a year isnt enough revenue and they cant make a go of it without our charity then let them go C-11 or 7.
 
Bob Owens said:
... The company is making more money now than ever before and they are doing it with less people and less airplanes. ...
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Sorry Bob, but that has to win the prize for most ignorant (or propagandistic?) post of the month.

AA is bleeding money and suffering the effects of a nasty recession just like the rest of the industry. Airlines can't shrink to profitability fast enough, and demand has slackened to the point that we're going to see some nasty losses in the next few quarters. Last quarter included the same of Beacon, and that was a one-trick pony.

I'll remind of you of this comment next time results are reported.
 
FrequentFlierCA said:
You're like a broken record with the PUPs. Your union negotiated and approved the contract. Get over it and do better next time!
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....and you sound just like the greedy PUP grabbing executives running the airline into the ground. Get over it? Nope, not gonna happen....ever. :angry: If, or when the APA and/or the APFA are forced to walk (the twu never will) you can then find an airline with no labor/management problems. Oh wait, there isn't any is there? Good luck. :huh:
 
FrequentFlierCA said:
You're like a broken record with the PUPs. Your union negotiated and approved the contract. Get over it and do better next time!
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No thanks, i'm not going to"get over it."
And you will be the first anti union pro management lackey to accuse the unions of being unreasonable and greedy for demanding a good contract.

So get used to this broken record.
 
FrequentFlierCA said:
You're like a broken record with the PUPs. Your union negotiated and approved the contract. Get over it and do better next time!
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What you and many on here fail to realize is there were NO NEGOTIATIONS!
The TWU brought a contract to us and said the company stated take it or BK. By Little and the boys excepting
this the PUPs were a bi-product.

And one other thing, I constantly here from folks like you how we should appreciate Arpey and feel fortunate
that we have a leader like him because he kept us out of bankruptcy. NO, he didn't, I and thousands of other
employees kept us out of BK by the billions. He just happened to be at the helm when we gave. Someone tell me
just exactly how much of the billions was Mr. Arpeys, and exactly what benefits did he have taken away. :angry:
 
FrequentFlierCA said:
You're like a broken record with the PUPs. Your union negotiated and approved the contract. Get over it and do better next time!
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I will not either. :angry: It's people like you that only make our resolve stronger. That record isn't broken. It plays a tune I like to hear over and over.
 
FrequentFlierCA said:
Sorry Bob, but that has to win the prize for most ignorant (or propagandistic?) post of the month.

AA is bleeding money and suffering the effects of a nasty recession just like the rest of the industry. Airlines can't shrink to profitability fast enough, and demand has slackened to the point that we're going to see some nasty losses in the next few quarters. Last quarter included the same of Beacon, and that was a one-trick pony.

I'll remind of you of this comment next time results are reported.
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The current numbers dont support your claims. AA will take in nearly $24billion this year, over $6billion more than they did in 2003 and they will do it with 24000 less employees and 160 less airplanes. Can you show any examples of where a company shrunk but their revenue increased as dramatically as AMRs has? Normally as a company shrinks their revenue also shrinks, AMRs went up dramatically.

So maybe bookings are down, but so is fuel, their biggest expense.
 
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