TWU negotiations.........what?

No thanks, i'm not going to"get over it."
And you will be the first anti union pro management lackey to accuse the unions of being unreasonable and greedy for demanding a good contract.

So get used to this broken record.

No way. We have to move forward and focus on getting a better deal this time and not letting the execs take payouts when the company is not making money. Going back to the PUPs every other day just starts to sound like sour grapes after a while. It gets old quickly.
 
No way. We have to move forward and focus on getting a better deal this time and not letting the execs take payouts when the company is not making money. Going back to the PUPs every other day just starts to sound like sour grapes after a while. It gets old quickly.


You know what also gets old? The company's broken record mantra that they won't restore full pay and benefits and work rule changes.. that's what gets old.
 
What gets old is seeing the cost of education, the cost of food, the cost daily needs, the cost of healthcare all rise at an outrageous pace, while my paycheck declines in value. For those of you who are single or married with no children, although painful, your probably do not understand (or care) about those who have more than one mouth to feed, more than one doctors appointment to pay for, or more than one child to forward the opportunity to get an higher education. You know what folks, it's pretty difficult on 10 year old wages.
 
What gets old is seeing the cost of education, the cost of food, the cost daily needs, the cost of healthcare all rise at an outrageous pace, while my paycheck declines in value. For those of you who are single or married with no children, although painful, your probably do not understand (or care) about those who have more than one mouth to feed, more than one doctors appointment to pay for, or more than one child to forward the opportunity to get an higher education. You know what folks, it's pretty difficult on 10 year old wages.

Agreed, but it would seem those with designs on your dollar could care less about you or anyone else they tap for funds.

Citys' services, utilities, and others seem to think they can always raise their charges to cover costs while we have no such power of our paychecks.
 
You are correct. That's why we must do absolutely everything we can to stand united (I know it's hard for some) and fight for the "best" possible contract we can. If not, it won't matter what the mentioned above charge, you won't be able to pay them anyway.
 
Where are the election results? Local 562 website has not been updated.

I believe that's called sour grapes.

I do hope their election is the beginning of the end for the unaccountable International.
 
The current numbers dont support your claims. AA will take in nearly $24billion this year, over $6billion more than they did in 2003 and they will do it with 24000 less employees and 160 less airplanes. Can you show any examples of where a company shrunk but their revenue increased as dramatically as AMRs has? Normally as a company shrinks their revenue also shrinks, AMRs went up dramatically.

So maybe bookings are down, but so is fuel, their biggest expense.

We'll have to revisit this when the next quarterly numbers come out. But I can see that you're missing a big piece of the equation: increase in expense.

And AA's revenue isn't up dramatically like you say. Fuel bled AA for more than half of 2008, especially on the MD80s. To add insult to injury, any hedges AA bought at $80-$120 will come in at a loss now that oil is in the $30-$40 range. You can castigate management all you want for not predicting the demise of the oil bubble, but in reality almost no one did. Even the wizards at Goldman had $200 in their sights.
 
We'll have to revisit this when the next quarterly numbers come out. But I can see that you're missing a big piece of the equation: increase in expense.

And AA's revenue isn't up dramatically like you say. Fuel bled AA for more than half of 2008, especially on the MD80s. To add insult to injury, any hedges AA bought at $80-$120 will come in at a loss now that oil is in the $30-$40 range. You can castigate management all you want for not predicting the demise of the oil bubble, but in reality almost no one did. Even the wizards at Goldman had $200 in their sights.


Will the AA Wizards still get PUP bonus awards for superior hedge management?
 
No.

The execs will probably get PSP payouts depending on how well AMR's stock price has outperformed the peer group during 2006-08.


Regardless, THEY GET SOMETHING WHATEVER THE AMOUNT!

Oh, I forget, they have an agreement with their execs.
 
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12/29/2008
Joint Negotiation Committee Update December 29, 2008


To: All Members of AA Locals 501 -590
From: John M. Conley
Re: Mediation Update -Joint Negotiations - TWU/AA
Dear Brothers and Sisters:

Mediator Terri Brown has been assigned to all cases referenced in the Joint Group.

All future correspondence related to these cases must be addressed to her and she will be in contact with the parties to schedule meeting dates, times and locations predicated upon overall availability. We may have an initial session(s) as early as mid to late January or possibly mid to late February 2009.
 
12/29/2008
Joint Negotiation Committee Update December 29, 2008


To: All Members of AA Locals 501 -590
From: John M. Conley
Re: Mediation Update -Joint Negotiations - TWU/AA
Dear Brothers and Sisters:

Mediator Terri Brown has been assigned to all cases referenced in the Joint Group.

All future correspondence related to these cases must be addressed to her and she will be in contact with the parties to schedule meeting dates, times and locations predicated upon overall availability. We may have an initial session(s) as early as mid to late January or possibly mid to late February 2009.

Terri Brown


Terri Brown joined the National Mediation Board in 2002, as a Mediator. In this capacity, she serves as a mediator in Airline and Railroad cases.

Prior to this appointment, Terri held several positions at the National Railroad Passenger Corporation (Amtrak). These positions include Manager of Dispute Resolution, Amtrak's Employee Relations Manager and ombudsman for the CEO. Also at Amtrak, she served as Labor Contract Administrator and Labor Relations Officer. As Labor Relations Officer, she was involved in various negotiations and handled numerous arbitration cases.

Terri has a BA degree in English from Chatham College in Pittsburgh, a J.D. from the Howard University School of Law, and a Master of Business Administration from the University of Baltimore. She has extensive training in arbitration, negotiation, mediation, ADR, and investigation and is a member of the Association for Conflict Resolution.

But is she a Democrat? :rolleyes:
 
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• American reports December drop in domestic, international traffic
American Airlines saw domestic traffic drop 9.6% for December, while international traffic was off 5.7% for the month. After shrinking capacity by 8.6%, the airline's load factor inched up to 79.2%. For the full year, American carried 92.8 million passengers, compared to 98.2 million in 2007. Forbes/The Associated Press(1/5)


Load factor of 79.2% what is the problem?
 
• American reports December drop in domestic, international traffic
American Airlines saw domestic traffic drop 9.6% for December, while international traffic was off 5.7% for the month. After shrinking capacity by 8.6%, the airline's load factor inched up to 79.2%. For the full year, American carried 92.8 million passengers, compared to 98.2 million in 2007. Forbes/The Associated Press(1/5)


Load factor of 79.2% what is the problem?
<_< ------ Not enough non-revs? :huh:
 
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