TWU negotiations.........what?

[TWU informer]

Can anyone tell me what the TWU plan is? We have been in negotiations for over a year now and we see nothing and hear of no direction or how they plan to make us whole again. The worst part of it all is that the TWU negotiating committee will share proposals with the company but not their own members! Is it just me or does this whole process seem flawed?

The plan is to remain in secret negotiations. WE are all hoping someone actually gets elected that will share information in defiance of the Burchette/Little doctrine. To date, every one elected just conforms to the working together union busting secrecy.

"FLAWED"? understated word to describe what we are putting up with.

 

[Chuck Schalk]

well once again the TWU is behind the eight ball. It is my understanding that Continental Airlines is offering regional pay to certain coastal cities. If this comes to be then the TWU will try to take credit for getting it at AA just like they did in 2001! The TWU are followers not leaders.

 

[PRINCESS KIDAGAKASH]

Oh come on,Chuck! Everyone knows it was the "WILL STRIKE IF PROVOKED" T-Shirts that brought the company to it's knees back in 2001. Those shirts really scared them,I tell you. Nothing beats TWU power in negotiations with the company. Those AMFA nuts at NWA didn't have clue back in 2001. The TWU has always been the leader that the whole airline industry envies.

 

[The Goose]

Oh come on,Chuck! Everyone knows it was the "WILL STRIKE IF PROVOKED" T-Shirts that brought the company to it's knees back in 2001. Those shirts really scared them,I tell you. Nothing beats TWU power in negotiations with the company. Those AMFA nuts at NWA didn't have clue back in 2001. The TWU has always been the leader that the whole airline industry envies.

An old Naval saying re: one's posterior and bilge water comes to mind ...

 

[Chuck Schalk]

well lets recap:

The TWU wasted the last 18 months of our money and time with great negotiating skills.
The restore and more campaign was compromised when the company made the first offer and the TWU International said to the negotiating committee to "bring it back to members and let them decide" That vote was 11 to 9 not to bring it back. Too close for comfort!
mediation will look at what was put on the table not what you hoped for!

Well now lets evaluate their next move:

The company always wanted a 2 year extension from the beginning. If we file for mediation it could take a couple years to come to an agreement or just drag out the negotiations. Either way the company gets the extension at no cost and the TWU will blame the members.
will the TWU/AA guarantee retro pay for its members as a penalty for this mess?

no retro/no contract

 

[frontline]

No contract just plays into their hands, so that's not a solution. We need to get them now on a contract that gives us some back without putting the entire company in jeopardy like the pilots want to do.

I am waiting to see what comes out of the intensive talks early next month. I remain guardedly optimistic for now.

 

[Bob Owens]

No contract just plays into their hands, so that's not a solution. We need to get them now on a contract that gives us some back without putting the entire company in jeopardy like the pilots want to do.

I am waiting to see what comes out of the intensive talks early next month. I remain guardedly optimistic for now.

What makes you feel that the pilots are putting the company in jeopardy? Because the company said so?

 

[WeAAsles]

What makes you feel that the pilots are putting the company in jeopardy? Because the company said so?

It's usually that way isn't it Bob? It's like watching only FOX news instead of trying to make up your own mind by reading several news sources on a subject.

 

[Chuck Schalk]

the last union proposal will be the best we can get if we go to mediation and probably end up being much less than that since the company's counter will be totally opposite. The Mediator will work off those submitted parameters and then the TWU will blame the Mediator and the negotiating committee. What does the TWU International actually do for us relating to negotiations again? I must be missing something.

 

[Bob Owens]

What does the TWU International actually do for us relating to negotiations again? I must be missing something.

We get to watch International officials do well for themselves off our dues, thats what we get.

 

[The Goose]

It's usually that way isn't it Bob? It's like watching only FOX news instead of trying to make up your own mind by reading several news sources on a subject.

That's why it's called the Faux Noise Network.

 

[LGA Fleet Service]

the last union proposal will be the best we can get if we go to mediation and probably end up being much less than that since the company's counter will be totally opposite.

Speaking of the last union proposal, has anyone from any title group actually seen these alleged proposals?

Why are they guarded closer than state secrets in the old Soviet Union?

 

[enough already]

Speaking of the last union proposal, has anyone from any title group actually seen these alleged proposals?

Why are they guarded closer than state secrets in the old Soviet Union?

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From twu514 website:

The M&R Negotiating Committee reconvened in Dallas, Texas on Nov17th thru Nov20th
On November 20th your M&R Negotiating Committee met with management negotiators and
passed our new comprehensive counter proposal a summary of the Union’s proposed changes is
below:

Article 1
Clarify current application of aircraft maintenance outsourcing to 20.9% of all
maintenance costs.
Improve pay, rules, and working conditions protections in the event of a merger or
purchase or spin off.
Title II Staffing Metric. (improve formula for Station Staffing)

Article 2
Modifications made to reflect new term on this agreement (ex: Higher capacity)
Article3
Restore to 2001 language.

Article 4
Increase base wages 6%,4%,3%
Increase bid position premium to $3
Add longevity pay
Geographic premium for areas designated
Move Cabin cleaners to Utility man pay scales.
Raise line premium and include Line premium to include personnel normally
assigned to the base in Titles I & II
Increase midnight retention pay to $1.
Increased license pay to $6, skill premium to $4.45 and hazard pay premium to
$2.70.
Profit Sharing (first dollar earned)

Article 5
Increased test hop insurance to $250,000.
Adjust shift differential to .76 cents aft, .83 cents midnight, .86 cents for split

Article 6
Return to 2001 overtime rules and rates.
Restore meal allowance ($3)

Article 7
Return to 2001
Enhancement of additional day (MLK day)
Fixed inequity of Holiday pay that falls within vacation between 8 and 10 hour shift.

Article 8
Return to 2001 language

Article 11
Remove Contracting out Ron/Ultraclean letter.
Create Title II apprentice program.

Article 12
Return to 2001 contractual language.
Move Crew Chief self demotion window from every 3 years to every year.
Letter to explore (Crew Chief Evaluation/Demotion procedures)
Letter to explore (Base maintenance Flexibility)
New Electronic bid/transfer process
2 yr lock out if transfer accepted and employee does not report

Article15
Rewrite of article for clear understanding

Article 23
Return to day off overtime for training

Article 25
Return to 2001 language.

Article 34
Return to 2001 language

Article 36
Paid lunch periods at 1.5X.

Article39
Renamed article Fitness for Duty with language modifications
FMLA recognition
Accommodation Review Board

Article 40
Add requirements for reporting retirement funding levels.

Article 41
Provide open enrollment period for supplemental medical.
Increased dental and orthodontia to $2,000 coverage.

Article 42
System protection Date Of Signing

Article 43
No changes other than to match article 36 changes.

Article 46
rewritten for clarification

Article 47
2 year agreement
Protection language in the event of bankruptcy.
Language for procedure NMB under the Railway Labor Act (RLA).

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[Chuck Schalk]

well it appears that super negotiations in DFW are going according to plan. Not our plan but according to someone's plan! Any comments?

 

[LGA Fleet Service]

They're either going to have accepted that first contract offer that was rejected in the spring or they're going to announce they are going to mediation.

Either way, we're hosed.