Correct me if i'm wrong on this issue. It is my understanding IF the judge agrees to the company's petition for rejection, the 'agreement' the company can/may impose is the term sheet itself, and any modifications to that the union has agreed to up to that point. The company knows this which is why the term sheet for all of us was so rock bottom on every scale. Again, there is no return to any previous CBA, only to the term sheet itself. If anyone can clarify, please do.
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TWU negotiations.........what?
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Mr Red
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I have not heard of any airline B/K where term sheet was imposed .
High Speed Steel
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Sure did benefit you to ignore guidance. We were in mediation in 2010 and it was suggested to vote Yes on the TA, did you listen? apparently not. What did voting No gain you?
TWU informer
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Wait just a minute.
I followed the guidance, voted YES, what did that gain me?
IF those guiding had information that was so important then why were we not called to a mass meeting and that information shared? Instead those opposed were call C.A.V.E. Men and told to shut their pie holes, which probably created more NO VOTES than Bob Owens youTube video did.
You cannot claim the leadership was trying to save us and the no voters ignored that information.
The fact is the Vote NO group out campaigned whoever you are talking about someone failed to listen to.
Your assertion is foolish, ignorant, and lacks proof of leadership.
It is nothing more than the typical TWU'ism of blame anyone and everything but failed leadership.
Of course when this exact same thing happened at other Airlines, you were awful quick to blame AMFA, therefore is it not the TWU's not fault now?
If you are going to make a point against NO Voters, at least try to maintain some credibility while doing so.
Mr Red
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I don't recall any TWU guidence to vote yes ...NONE NADA !!!They kept coming out with the ask sheet for negotations,(Lump Sum.Pay Raise.No more Concessions) I guess they did'nt believe us the first time!
This company has no regard for their Employees,Just waiting for dust to clear so I can move on!
Sorry, it's just a habit I've developed to always ignore the TWU. Truth is, had the 2010 concessionary contract passed many of us may not have made the near six figure wages we earned through the copious amounts of overtime. It's not our fault manAAgement doesn't know how to run their business and not my fault my coworkers would not take a stand and turn down overtime. Like it or not, here we are in BK, what is there to gain by voting yes now?
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DallasConehead
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They have agreements from the term sheet where some areas have been (improved). I believe all of that is in play with an abrogation.i.e. "last best". Vote no triggers abrogation, abrogation triggers no agreement, RLA abhors no agreement, =section 6. This is as Bob says. And I have confirmation from other sources. I think a lot depends of how good your lawyers are.
Hopeful
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With so many job losses inevitable, of course their will be a NO vote....So why even continue with the charade of letting the members vote..
A NO vote will undoubtedly lead to abrogation.
And in the even there is a vote, I wouldn't count on it taking the traditional 30 days to prepare the text, 30 days to review and 30 days to vote,,,etc etc etc....
It will be done so quick, your heads will spin.
A NO vote will undoubtedly lead to abrogation.
And in the even there is a vote, I wouldn't count on it taking the traditional 30 days to prepare the text, 30 days to review and 30 days to vote,,,etc etc etc....
It will be done so quick, your heads will spin.
Hopeful
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I agree....If this were a game of chess, we are nearing a check-mate!
TWU Q&A:
Can the judge impose a new agreement or just new terms on a temporary basis?
If the parties are unable to reach an agreement on the terms of a modified collective bargaining agreement, the company can file a motion with the Bankruptcy Court for authority to reject the current collective bargaining agreement. As part of their motion, the company will present a proposal for modifications to the collective bargaining agreement that includes the terms the company’s believes are necessary for a successful restructuring. The Bankruptcy Court will rule on the motion (either granting or denying the company’s request to reject the collective bargaining agreement) but will not re-write the agreement. If the company is allowed to reject the collective bargaining agreement, it will likely impose the terms included in the modifications that are attached to the company’s motion. The TWU intends to give its members the opportunity to vote on the company’s last proposal, even if the TWU and the company have not reached agreement on the terms of a tentative agreement.
Frank Szabo
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I disagree - the "Check Mate" was years ago.
