TWU negotiations.........what?

[TWU informer]

Where are the AMFA mechanic's working now and for how.much?

I dont know ... where?

 

[strikeforce]

I think your right about AMFA, but AMFA had outsourcing where we did not, and the AMFA mechs are no longer working at NWA or Delta. They were all replaced.

Do you realize that if it wasn't for AMFA you wouldn't be making $33.25/hr today? With your comments you obviously support the replacement of A&P mechanics with scabs! AMFA was trying to do something positive for the A&P mechanics by representing all A&P's and placing us all into one union. Too bad all A&P's didn't embrace the same philosophy as AMFA. UA, DL/NWA, US/AW, CAL, and now AA all have used the same tactic to destroy OUR profession....BK. Yet WE have people on this forum that will defend the actions of Corrupt America. Yes, Corrupt America because I no longer want to give these greedy bastards the honor of calling them part of corporate america. The good citizens within corporate america recognize the contributions of their employees and reward them instead of destroying them. SHAME on all A&P's for not helping AMFA during their strike against another corporate raider called NWA. Sometimes you have to do illegal things to get your message across. Not us, we're too good for that and WE want to follow the law, all the while Corrupt America is changing the laws in their favor. Good Job TWU, IAM, IBT, and the AFL-CIO for not backing AMFA. But, you'll (TWU) stand right next to another non AFL-CIO union.......APA and support their actions.

 

[MCI transplant]

Do you realize that if it wasn't for AMFA you wouldn't be making $33.25/hr today? With your comments you obviously support the replacement of A&P mechanics with scabs! AMFA was trying to do something positive for the A&P mechanics by representing all A&P's and placing us all into one union. Too bad all A&P's didn't embrace the same philosophy as AMFA. UA, DL/NWA, US/AW, CAL, and now AA all have used the same tactic to destroy OUR profession....BK. Yet WE have people on this forum that will defend the actions of Corrupt America. Yes, Corrupt America because I no longer want to give these greedy bastards the honor of calling them part of corporate america. The good citizens within corporate america recognize the contributions of their employees and reward them instead of destroying them. SHAME on all A&P's for not helping AMFA during their strike against another corporate raider called NWA. Sometimes you have to do illegal things to get your message across. Not us, we're too good for that and WE want to follow the law, all the while Corrupt America is changing the laws in their favor. Good Job TWU, IAM, IBT, and the AFL-CIO for not backing AMFA. But, you'll (TWU) stand right next to another non AFL-CIO union.......APA and support their actions.

------- I'm glad there is, at least one AMT around here who see's it like it is!!! Kodos!!!!

 

[Duke787]

Do you realize that if it wasn't for AMFA you wouldn't be making $33.25/hr today? With your comments you obviously support the replacement of A&P mechanics with scabs! AMFA was trying to do something positive for the A&P mechanics by representing all A&P's and placing us all into one union. Too bad all A&P's didn't embrace the same philosophy as AMFA. UA, DL/NWA, US/AW, CAL, and now AA all have used the same tactic to destroy OUR profession....BK. Yet WE have people on this forum that will defend the actions of Corrupt America. Yes, Corrupt America because I no longer want to give these greedy bastards the honor of calling them part of corporate america. The good citizens within corporate america recognize the contributions of their employees and reward them instead of destroying them. SHAME on all A&P's for not helping AMFA during their strike against another corporate raider called NWA. Sometimes you have to do illegal things to get your message across. Not us, we're too good for that and WE want to follow the law, all the while Corrupt America is changing the laws in their favor. Good Job TWU, IAM, IBT, and the AFL-CIO for not backing AMFA. But, you'll (TWU) stand right next to another non AFL-CIO union.......APA and support their actions.

I said I agreed that AMFA set the bar high for TWU to jump over, but the TWU did it while keeping all maint in house. I also agree that corparations today do not have their employees in mind when going for the bottum dollar, it's not just the airline industry. I do not or ever supported the scabs at NWA, the AMFA guys just didn't negotiate with the company and they all lost in the end.

Voting no, to send a message to the company is doing nothing but costing us in the end.

 

[787nightmare]

Duke...you are dead wrong on a few counts with regard to what actually went down during the AMFA strike at NWA.

The lucky exNWA mechs moved on to Boeing, FX and some went back to DL/NWA after a deal was struck to get peace. I can think of several... "honorable" that simply can not go back to DL because they figure theyd get there asses fired for getting in some scabs (a lot were EX-friends)faces.
They'll never forget it either.

As far as I'm concerned.... this whole ind owes the AMFA and exNWA mechs debt of gratitude for indeed raising the bar for us ALL!

 

[Buck]

I dont know ... where?

It is a question.

But I will make a guess. Southwest and Alaska.

How much, it was a question but I think around $45 at Southwest.

 

[lineguy43]

I said I agreed that AMFA set the bar high for TWU to jump over, but the TWU did it while keeping all maint in house. I also agree that corparations today do not have their employees in mind when going for the bottum dollar, it's not just the airline industry. I do not or ever supported the scabs at NWA, the AMFA guys just didn't negotiate with the company and they all lost in the end.

Voting no, to send a message to the company is doing nothing but costing us in the end.

Let me fill you in on a few facts there 787..I have a problem with your statement "AMFA guys didn't negotiate with the company and they lost in the end" ..The fact is in the end we agreed to EVERYTHING ..even the 53% percent cut in the workforce (which had been decimated anyway) and a 26% cut for the remaining. How do I know this? My close friend was on the negotiating cmte. But the fact is the scabs and plans were in place and NWA was not going to ever going let a deal happen..NEVER! This is a misnomer that pisses me off to no end is that no one not even fellow mechanics at other airlines have a clue to what REALLY happened there. This was a consorted effort to bust AMFA no doubt with the help of executives at other airlines who also saw AMFA as too militant. That whole offer to AMFA was by design to be voted down in the first place. Would you vote yourself out of a job? I was in that 53%..I had 17 yrs in 2005 and if I had voted yes I would have been out of a job. So in the end when AMFA saw it wasn't going their way did agree BEFORE we ever went on strike. Then since NW spent millions recruiting scabs and paying off whoever they had to FAA included they were not going to say ok we have a deal. They in my opinion KNEW they were going to merge with DL in the future and AMFA was not going to be a part of it. So in the end when AMFA agreed to ALL the terms..Then NW was in a scramble they couldn't not let this strike happen..So they changed the terms once again and finally the exasperated negotiators for AMFA said guess we are going on strike. I think this was their mistake. They should have just let us come back to work not called a strike and force NWA to lock us out..That would have allowed unemployment to be paid to everyone and would have kept some of the weaker ones from crossing the line.

 

[lineguy43]

Where are the AMFA mechanic's working now and for how.much?

A lot of us working for the FAA, FX and other places.. I personally am at FX and make $46.26/hr. So not saying we all faired as well as I did...But quite a few of us did.

 

[Overspeed]

It is a question.

But I will make a guess. Southwest and Alaska.

How much, it was a question but I think around $45 at Southwest.

AS contract shows $36.57 an hour for line. Base is 0.45 less if I am reading it right.

Still that pesky outsourcing percentage being so high at both of those airlines.

How about this question, of all the thousands of AMTs working at the pre-BK airlines (union or non-union) have jobs paying the same or better elsewhere? 100%? 75%? 50%?

 

[Buck]

AS contract shows $36.57 an hour for line. Base is 0.45 less if I am reading it right.

Still that pesky outsourcing percentage being so high at both of those airlines.

How about this question, of all the thousands of AMTs working at the pre-BK airlines (union or non-union)How Many have jobs paying the same or better elsewhere? 100%? 75%? 50%?

I am not sure if you are asking a question. Are you asking How Many

 

[Overspeed]

AVEOS and PEMCO filed for BK in the last week. Where will AA go for airframe overhaul?

http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Aveos+blames+Canada+financial+ills/6323534/story.html

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-03-05/pemco-world-air-services-files-for-bankruptcy-to-sell-assets-1-.html

 

[TWU informer]

AS contract shows $36.57 an hour for line. Base is 0.45 less if I am reading it right.

Still that pesky outsourcing percentage being so high at both of those airlines.

How about this question, of all the thousands of AMTs working at the pre-BK airlines (union or non-union) have jobs paying the same or better elsewhere? 100%? 75%? 50%?

How about this question. Which is the only one that matters.

Now that AA is freezing our defined pension, what is our pay/benefits compared to our peers?

 

[Bob Owens]

How about this question. Which is the only one that matters.

Now that AA is freezing our defined pension, what is our pay/benefits compared to our peers?

Overspeed does not like strait up comparasions. He often says "You cant cherry pick" when the company does it all the time. The company picks whatever comparasion is good for them but Overspeed says we should not do the same, that we should turn the other cheek so to speak and accept whatever the company proposes. Since Overspeeed wants to keep his identity a secret and he often cites struff he would not know unless he heard it from someone in negotiations you have to wonder who he really is.

By the way we are at the bottom, even USAIRAWAYS will pass us in July in wages without a new contract.

 

[enough already]

Since Overspeeed wants to keep his identity a secret and he often cites struff he would not know unless he heard it from someone in negotiations you have to wonder who he really is.

Yes, we wouldn't want anybody knowing what's going on in the secret negotiations... h34r:

 

[787nightmare]

AS contract shows $36.57 an hour for line. Base is 0.45 less if I am reading it right.

Still that pesky outsourcing percentage being so high at both of those airlines.

How about this question, of all the thousands of AMTs working at the pre-BK airlines (union or non-union) have jobs paying the same or better elsewhere? 100%? 75%? 50%?

I was contacted by AS SEA for a line position interview.
I declined , because I was given bad info from there outsourced HR candidate "care" people. :-/
Had to contact an AMFA rep in SEA to get the facts on money. All these outsourcing firms SUCK as far as extracting any kind of usable/important info or even matter as simple as returning emails. My exp w AA was just pathetic!
AS starts just under $25/hr w all prems(nights), and tops, think around 37-38/hr(5-6yrs). I wasn't real impressed w the money for SEA. But according to the AMFA rep, they've got a clause in there contract to revisit the top out wage when the prevailing top exceeds there's.
Boeing STARTED me at 25/hr back in '08. Which is where I'm hoping to return. I'm hearing it's getting a bit better up there.