TWU negotiations.........what?

[paul1]

Bob I'm thankful for the info that you have provided in the past.But right now you are doing us more harm than any good. Its time for you to man up keep your mouth shut and wait in till we get the ASK!

Talking about Horton and line maint. and o/h, your doing no one a favor don't think for a minute that only O/H can use non A&P's. Look at the line fleet doing deicing wing ice INSPECTIONS (where the union and FAA)

Enjoyed NOT READING this #### for a couple of days

and for the rest of you that think its so much better some where else (like bob touts) theres the door ( yea thought so no one is rushing to leave)

 

[Mr Red]

Bob I'm thankful for the info that you have provided in the past.But right now you are doing us more harm than any good. Its time for you to man up keep your mouth shut and wait in till we get the ASK!

Talking about Horton and line maint. and o/h, your doing no one a favor don't think for a minute that only O/H can use non A&P's. Look at the line fleet doing deicing wing ice INSPECTIONS (where the union and FAA)

Enjoyed NOT READING this #### for a couple of days

and for the rest of you that think its so much better some where else (like bob touts) theres the door ( yea thought so no one is rushing to leave)

All they have to do is offer an early out, then watch the stampede !!

 

[FWAAA]

These are the places staffed by A&P mechanics

What about foreign stations? I assume LHR and perhaps some South American cities.

 

[Mr Red]

What about foreign stations? I assume LHR and perhaps some South American cities.

Staffed by Foreign nationals

 

[FWAAA]

Staffed by Foreign nationals

That goes without saying, but they're still AA employees, presumably possessing whatever passes for A&P tickets in those countries.

 

[787nightmare]

Is that another way of saying: "We've always done it that way!"?

No.... jeeezzz some of you guys are spring loaded. though it has always been that way.
Just means that's the program in place the Feds are happy with.
And...like I said, don't see that policy changing. hey... I could be wrong.
I won't say NEVER....
Consider....the FAA come to Boeing and told them, "from here on out, we want licensed a/p mechs out here on your pre-flight & delivery flightline".
Boeing had previously just used transfers from the Everett and Renton factory's for flightline personnel. Well, guess Boeing had to do....yep hire a boat load of expd AMTs.
(which is where MANY of the displaced exairline mechs are).
Like I said, I don't see the industry-wide policy changing.

 

[paul1]

All they have to do is offer an early out, then watch the stampede !!

how many in maint. maybe a couple hundred, theres less than 200 guys I bet with more than 1984 senoirity. I know more guys collecting there regular pay ,ss, 401k pen. than would take a early out


yea there going to be running for the door B)

 

[Buck]

how many in maint. maybe a couple hundred, theres less than 200 guys I bet with more than 1984 senoirity. I know more guys collecting there regular pay ,ss, 401k pen. than would take a early out


yea there going to be running for the door B)

I am 52 and #412 in the system and #250 in TUL. My seniority is 1984. I am not going anywhere. There are a lot of very senior mechanics that are hanging around, but there are some that continue to retire behind me because of age. But Paul is correct they are not knocking the gates down to get out.

Yes, Bob I do know that the exchange of maintenance between carriers has been around forever. The point is that in OH that those that do not have a license, will bump the aircraft docks and send the "juniority list" where they have to go and that could be the line.

 

[enough already]

No.... jeeezzz some of you guys are spring loaded. though it has always been that way.
Just means that's the program in place the Feds are happy with.
And...like I said, don't see that policy changing. hey... I could be wrong.
I won't say NEVER....
Consider....the FAA come to Boeing and told them, "from here on out, we want licensed a/p mechs out here on your pre-flight & delivery flightline".
Boeing had previously just used transfers from the Everett and Renton factory's for flightline personnel. Well, guess Boeing had to do....yep hire a boat load of expd AMTs.
(which is where MANY of the displaced exairline mechs are).
Like I said, I don't see the industry-wide policy changing.

Did you see AA going bankrupt when you hired on? Farthest thing from my mind then. Apparently anything can happen now...

 

[787nightmare]

I knew it was a very real possibility...given AAs debt load/balance sheet and how the deck was stacked against this carrier in the industry. But I guess I held out hope that things would work out. That, and I let the allure of coming home overwhelm me.

I think it's obvious that it was a mistake now.
Ah well...won't be the first time. I'm waiting for Boeing,
got some things working. But yeah, it really came as no big shock AMR filed.
I wish all you guys the best, really do.

 

[Duke787]

Bob I'm thankful for the info that you have provided in the past.But right now you are doing us more harm than any good. Its time for you to man up keep your mouth shut and wait in till we get the ASK!

Talking about Horton and line maint. and o/h, your doing no one a favor don't think for a minute that only O/H can use non A&P's. Look at the line fleet doing deicing wing ice INSPECTIONS (where the union and FAA)

Enjoyed NOT READING this #### for a couple of days

and for the rest of you that think its so much better some where else (like bob touts) theres the door ( yea thought so no one is rushing to leave)

I couldn't agree more, Bob should be a responsible TWU leader and not try and divide line and OH, he should stop being the stooge for management. I don't think TWU leaders should be advicating job actions or misinforming his members with rhetoric that will never happen (full retro pay).

The only thing we should be hearing from the TWU is the facts and not speculation on what that leader thinks should happen.

 

[Duke787]

All they have to do is offer an early out, then watch the stampede !!

Early out? we have mechs double dipping social security and pay just because they can. Early out offered during BK, that seems like a stretch.

 

[FWAAA]

I couldn't agree more, Bob should be a responsible TWU leader and not try and divide line and OH, he should stop being the stooge for management. I don't think TWU leaders should be advicating job actions or misinforming his members with rhetoric that will never happen (full retro pay).

The only thing we should be hearing from the TWU is the facts and not speculation on what that leader thinks should happen.

I don't envy leaders who are faced with competing interests like the ones you mentioned. Is the primary goal of the union to preserve all jobs or to obtain the highest possible wages? In many cases (including, IMO, AA maintenance), you can sometimes have one or the other, but probably not both.

If the company might be willing to pay $45/hr top-out pay to approx. 4,000 mechanics in those high-cost cities (something approaching WN/UPS/FedEx) but that payrate is contingent on trimming down the bases' employment levels, combined with further concessions for those who remain at the bases, what should the union leaders say?

 

[strikeforce]

I don't envy leaders who are faced with competing interests like the ones you mentioned. Is the primary goal of the union to preserve all jobs or to obtain the highest possible wages? In many cases (including, IMO, AA maintenance), you can sometimes have one or the other, but probably not both.

If the company might be willing to pay $45/hr top-out pay to approx. 4,000 mechanics in those high-cost cities (something approaching WN/UPS/FedEx) but that payrate is contingent on trimming down the bases employment levels, combined with further concessions for those who remain at the bases, what should the union leaders say?

I believe this bk presents some unique situations for the TWU leadership. If the company proposal eliminates OH, it obviously won't fly with the majority (TUL, AFW), and AA would have to abrogate the contract in order to get that concession. With that said, it might benefit the TWU, as a business, to achieve the highest possible wages for the remaining mechanics in order to get the highest amount of dues money to offset the job loses. The question remains....Will the TWU really fight hard as hell to get us the highest wages possible???? What are they going to do when the company proposes to eliminate thousands of M&E jobs.....are they going to fight like hell to further reduce our wages and benefits in order to save those jobs????? It remains to be seen...what "fight like hell" really means???? I'll be watching!!!!

 

[Wretched Wrench]

Never have heard of it.

Dare I guess that you have not worked at a line station or two?

There is no point to it. AA has plenty of A&Ps, why would they even risk it? Repairman typically have to have all their work inspected. That has to be under the control of the repair station certificate only! I do not know of any line stations - class II or class I's that have a repair station certificate. A few years back when AA was looking at getting into the MRO business, they talked about some sort of system coverage of the repair station certificate; in fact, we had special training just for it. Anyway, all that has long since went out the door.

In fact, the head of training at DFW just said "there is no way that any un-licensed mechanics are working the line, and especially signing log books off. Closest we come are the IFE guys from Rockwell or Panasonic, and all of them have A&Ps anyway.

When the head of training at DFW said, "There is no way that any un-licensed mechanics are working the line, and especially signing log books off. " did he mean actually working the terminal or working shops and checks at a line station?

I will not name names here, but it happened for years. Don't know for sure if it still is, now, since it is not on my radar. I do know they quit hiring unlicensed mechs at my line station some time ago, but continued to hire avionics techs with FCC licenses for a while longer. Some of the unlicensed mechs and avtechs have retired, though. One Repairman I can remember even went on field trips by himself. Very often, in fact. So yes, he signed off log books. Without anyone inspecting his work.

I think different people had different situations with management. But, it was not uncommon at all for unlicensed mechanics to sign off work cards at a line station.

When license pay became larger, most got licenses, but not all. Never understood why they would not want the license pay. At one time, a 2nd class FCC license was good for single license pay, and a 1st class was good for double license pay. Don't remember what happened to those 1st class FCC license holders when their license was changed to a General license, just like the holders of 2nd class FCC licenses. Most avionics techs just went ahead and got A&Ps, anyway so they could work the terminal and go on lucrative field trips, so it became a non-issue.

Didn't some unlicensed mechs in overhaul get "Skill Pay", at the same rate as license pay, at one time?