TWU negotiations.........what?

[strikeforce]

Odie I think you were alittle off on your statement. It is easy to confuse the airlines that the iam and the other industrial unions have butchered. It was the iam at UAL that gave away the farm. It was a scorched earth policy since they knew that they were going to be kicked off the property for their incompetence. The contract was agreed to on July 11,2003 and was backed dated to become effective May 1,2003 and continue until May 1,2009. AMFA was certified on July 15,2003 as the bargaining agent for the mechanic and related. This can be verified at the NMB website CASE NO. R-6933. During the 2003 card drive AMFA had an informational meeting in Tulsa at the Brady Theater and the Local 514 along with the twu international paraded a coffin around on a flatbed trailor with some tombstones on it with statements like RIP Ind and RIP Oakland. These statements were 100% lies on the part of the twu int and local 514. The iam contract clearly stated that they can dispose of (Their words) the Oakland and Indy maintenance facilities. Although I cannot blame all of the individuals involved. The majority of the people that were their believed that they were being told the truth,but in reality they were being lied to by the twu int and the local 514 leadership(Randy McDonald and the other 514 officers and e-board). I'm sure people like overspeed,cio and chris Rhinehart (aka highspeed steel) were there to perpetuate the lie. There maybe sombody that was there like TWU Informer that have some pictures that proove this about the headstones.

The whole thing about the TWU is one big fat LIE! The list of liars is endless, and it's not just Local 514.....

 

[Vortilon]

They are not "helpers" they are mechanics.

That's fine you don't have to, the CC releases the books. I doubt you asked everybody over the last twenty years there has been and I will look to see but still unlicensed mechanics out in the system. Bottom line call around to some old timers (more than 25 years) and they know about this. AA stopped years back. What about the phone, video, and other onboard equipment vendors? Were they all mechanics? Did you sign off in your past 20 years for video or phone issue being repaired? Did you back check all the panels they removed and wiring they were involved with? Of course not because they followed a procedure per their training and you probably signed repaired by RCI or Claircom.

Remember, AA holds the 121 certificate and only because of their GPM and QAM is it required that all line mechanics hold tickets. The FAA does provide for unlicensed mechanics to work routine tasks like checks provided that a system exists to have the work checked. Not saying I agree with it but the ability to do that per the FARs is there. You could in theory replace a lot of jobs at the hangar with unlicensed mechanics.

So you won't sign for it but if the GPM and QAM were to change then what? Will you tell the supervisor you refuse? Okay.

See lack of knowledge is the problem in our union and industry. All this false bravado from people without knowing how the system works is going to get us standing in line for our government cheese.

Buck brought up a valid question about contracting out the line. There are other things that AA could ask for but has not...yet.

You are such a tool.

What the he11 do you know about working the line or signing a logbook release?

 

[TWU informer]

Dammit, ratted out again.... :unsure: :blink:

Funny how "Truth" equals "Ratted Out" to TWU sympathy agents.

IT was such a "disgrace to the profession", photos should be kept deep sixed.
Ironic that some fools actually used the coffin on a trailer in a Verteran's Day Parade before launching it in the TeAAM TWU campaign.

Some peeps are just a disgrace to humanity, the profession, and the TWU all in one act.
Yet, these events are a badge of honor to those without substance to advance their position.

The only way to understand the strategy of fools, is to place one's self in a undefendable group being challenged by members that are sick and tired of failed policy.

 

[strikeforce]

You could in theory replace a lot of jobs at the hangar with unlicensed mechanics.

AA could replace everybody if they wanted to.....especially if the TWU continues to accept very weak scope language, and allows AA to bring in more unlicensed HELPERS!!!

 

[High Speed Steel]

Funny how "Truth" equals "Ratted Out" to TWU sympathy agents.

Yeah, but funnier when the "Truth" outshines the" blind ignorance" of snake oil salesmen....

 

[767 mechanic]

Dammit, ratted out again.... :unsure: :blink:

Nice comeback,but I would have to be a twu rep or believer to fit that statement. Were you at the Brady on that day or particapate in the lie in any way. You know as well as I do that you and all of the people inolved lied to the membership.

 

[TWU informer]

Yeah, but funnier when the "Truth" outshines the" blind ignorance" of snake oil salesmen....

Willing to debate facts and history anyday anytime.
Name calling is all you have now, and all you ever have had.

What is snake oil anyway, a term used to discredit your opponent when you cannot defend your position with facts and leadership?

 

[Frank Szabo]

Willing to debate facts and history anyday anytime.
Name calling is all you have now, and all you ever have had.

What is snake oil anyway, a term used to discredit your opponent when you cannot defend your position with facts and leadership?

Look out, Dave - he'll hang some antlers and spurs on you.

 

[767 mechanic]

Yeah, but funnier when the "Truth" outshines the" blind ignorance" of snake oil salesmen....

Truth is something that you nothing about. The only so called snake oil salesman were the twu reps like yourself that lied to the membership. Can you say that my statements are lies? Not without lieing again. You cannot even answer my questions. Were you their? Were my statements about AMFA fact or fiction? Answer the questions. I will bet that you will not answer all of my questions because it will prove that you are a liar.

 

[Buck]

The date of our new contract??

And the end of the world.......

 

[Buck]

I don't know what rock you crawled from but aircraft mechanics are defined as having an A&P license in my book. Unlicensed means just that and at ALL line stations AA mechanics have A&P's. I don't open sidewall panels for RCI or Panasonic workers, and I surely don't sign off their work, and although WE may sometimes sign off that RCI work was previously accomplished or deferred does not mean I signed off on their work. I don't know if RCI requires their workers to have A&P licenses, and I really don't care....it's their equipment and IF the TWU was a REAL union it wouldn't allow AA to have non-union workers work side by side with TWU union mechanics. Do you think union contruction, electrical or bricklayers allow non-union workers on their worksite????

737 Light "C" OH is not allowed to work on any of Rockwell Collins items. If in this case a video monitor is defective then RCI has to trouble shoot and repair it. If there is a non-routine then mangment is signing these off as Vendor Items as part of the check.

 

[TWU informer]

Truth is something that you nothing about. The only so called snake oil salesman were the twu reps like yourself that lied to the membership. Can you say that my statements are lies? Not without lieing again. You cannot even answer my questions. Were you their? Were my statements about AMFA fact or fiction? Answer the questions. I will bet that you will not answer all of my questions because it will prove that you are a liar.

He cannot respond with any facts.

I have a few facts to share this evening.

When the TWU began these negotiations the table position was "restore what was lost, and then some."
Then the position became help us elect Obama and we wil get a favorable NMB.
Then we voted on a T/A that 2 out 3 members rejected.
We have seen a request for release, then not a request for release, and now maybe a request for release.
Now, we are waiting on the Pilot's to show us the way.

Meanwhile, High Speed and his gang of arbitration committee men has lost some very significant outsource grievances.
These grieevances were not just lost arguements, but have actually changed our outsource environment to the negative.

And now he has the balls to call me a snake oil salesman, and claim his rhetoric is outshining the willingness to have a adult conversation about our demise.

I know he has days when he is confused about his support of the TWU and where we are as a union membership, then he once again visits with the cult masters and he quickly returns to that which we see here. My bet is that he will eventually see the truth and if his emotions are removed from the thought processing he will be a champion for change.

I actually have more patience and respect for him than I show here sometimes, because I often see myself from the 80's early 90's in him.
The facts are the facts, and once emotion is removed, the opinions change. And I know this from personal experience.
The sad thing is most people that post here do nothing more than fan the flames of emotions which is detrimental to the group as a whole and will never convince people like High Speed that there really is a serious problem that needs to be addressed.

 

[767 mechanic]

Funny how "Truth" equals "Ratted Out" to TWU sympathy agents.

IT was such a "disgrace to the profession", photos should be kept deep sixed.
Ironic that some fools actually used the coffin on a trailer in a Verteran's Day Parade before launching it in the TeAAM TWU campaign.

Some peeps are just a disgrace to humanity, the profession, and the TWU all in one act.
Yet, these events are a badge of honor to those without substance to advance their position.

The only way to understand the strategy of fools, is to place one's self in a undefendable group being challenged by members that are sick and tired of failed policy.

I have to disagree with you about the pictures. Pictures are a way of remembering the past and proving the truth. Remember the pictures of the person that was mooning the women and children in the lobby of the Brady? That person could have been arrested for indecent exposure at the very least and deserved everything that he got,but we had to be the nice guys. These are the pictures that would have proven to the membership what the twu was all about We took the high road and did not reveal ( no play on words) this person that would have embarrassed this persons family and revealed the twu for what they really are.

 

[High Speed Steel]

Willing to debate facts and history anyday anytime.
Name calling is all you have now, and all you ever have had.

What is snake oil anyway, a term used to discredit your opponent when you cannot defend your position with facts and leadership?

Debate History? What history have you made that has truly amounted to anything Informer? Branded and tattooed but have contributed nothing of significance... B)

 

[TWU informer]

Debate History? What history have you made that has truly amounted to anything Informer? Branded and tattooed but have contributed nothing of significance... B)

Branded and Tattoed by whom and with what?
The day you realize history is to be made by the group and not individuals is the same day will you grasp what is wrong with this "union".