TWU negotiations.........what?

strikeforce said:
So, it was the Title I president from SFO that proposed half pay for sick time in exchange to save 1300 facilities maint. jobs. And, I'm sure that got the blessing from the INTL because it saved 1300 dues paying members, is that correct???
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the half time sick pay had nothing to do with saving 1300 FAC MTC positions, don't know where you got that one from. During the discussions in 2003 the sick pay proposal was something costed out during that time. So instead of picking something else, the sick time was used.
 
Observer said:
the half time sick pay had nothing to do with saving 1300 FAC MTC positions, don't know where you got that one from. During the discussions in 2003 the sick pay proposal was something costed out during that time. So instead of picking something else, the sick time was used.
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I got that from our local president at the time. It would benefit ALL if TWU reps, local or INTL, provide the membership with the truth. Maybe truth is not in the TWU vocabulary???
 
Duke787 said:
What I've said in the past is that going on strike is stupid during this recession, when thousands of AMT's are walking the street. I also said, TUL working weekends is not a strike issue for me. In 2003 ORD was turning down OT and field trips only to watch the other stations continue to work OT and go on field trips. Hackman you operate on theory, not what has happened in recent history. You have to fight your battles from a position of strength, like 2001 when we got the good contract (thank you AMFA). I wouldn't consider a $12 an hour raise for AA gaining productivity falling to my knees.

I hope the line mechs won't be offered less money in the next TA, so TUL won't have to work weekends. I'm sure Owens wouldn't bring that back to NY, now that he has direct action on the negotiations.
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Just be truthful Duck, with a coward like you it's never a good time for any type of fight. There is no strike issue for you, and never will be. You have shown over and over here that you just want your pay raise because your on the line, but you won't fight for it for any reason. We saw your type during the NWA strike in 2005, I can't strike because _________. (Fill in excuse here) Now NOBODY is hoping that will happen, not by a long shot, but sometimes it must because there is no other choice. You will not agree, because you only care about yourself, your job, and just you, and no one else. I am just calling like a I see it, and it's easy to see through you, your paper thin. What will you do if the fight comes? Run across that line...... you know it.

Your resent that OH has weekends off (like most MRO's do) why don't you move like many others including myself, have? I have worked the line and overhaul, moved several times. You want to cry about others, but rather than grab the ring and do something about it, you sit and whine about it.

What I'm talking about, this exchange with Bob Owens on 11-21-1010 "I went to the meeting that Dell had at ORD for AMFA right after we voted in the concessions. Dell said "I would never take a concession without a snap back". Then UAL took concession no snap back with AMFA as their union. What I'm getting at, is that Dell was full of rhetoric at the meeting, and I believe you are full of rhetoric. If we ever sign a contract I doubt it will be any better then what was voted down. I hope I'm wrong, but I doubt it.

No reason to be insulting because I have a different point of view then you, insults will not convince me to be believe your rhetoric, actions will, all you ex-AMFA guys talk tough, but I have yet to see any results. Remember we all lose in a strike. When the FA's went on stike their union called for a 10 strike.They new how long they were going to be out, plus they were a lot younger then.

Thanks for the clarification on the SMA's."

Everyone is full of rhetoric, no one wins in strike, I want my pay raise, I want separate contracts, and then I want my binky....and my glass of warm milk and cookies.

Just vote YES again for more concessions Duck, let out some boo-hoo's, and then shut the F up.
 
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Hackman said:
Just be truthful Duck, with a coward like you it's never a good time for any type of fight. There is no strike issue for you, and never will be. You have shown over and over here that you just want your pay raise because your on the line, but you won't fight for it for any reason. We saw your type during the NWA strike in 2005, I can't strike because _________. (Fill in excuse here) Now NOBODY is hoping that will happen, not by a long shot, but sometimes it must because there is no other choice. You will not agree, because you only care about yourself, your job, and just you, and no one else. I am just calling like a I see it, and it's easy to see through you, your paper thin. What will you do if the fight comes? Run across that line...... you know it.

Your resent that OH has weekends off (like most MRO's do) why don't you move like many others including myself, have? I have worked the line and overhaul, moved several times. You want to cry about others, but rather than grab the ring and do something about it, you sit and whine about it.

What I'm talking about, this exchange with Bob Owens on 11-21-1010 "I went to the meeting that Dell had at ORD for AMFA right after we voted in the concessions. Dell said "I would never take a concession without a snap back". Then UAL took concession no snap back with AMFA as their union. What I'm getting at, is that Dell was full of rhetoric at the meeting, and I believe you are full of rhetoric. If we ever sign a contract I doubt it will be any better then what was voted down. I hope I'm wrong, but I doubt it.

No reason to be insulting because I have a different point of view then you, insults will not convince me to be believe your rhetoric, actions will, all you ex-AMFA guys talk tough, but I have yet to see any results. Remember we all lose in a strike. When the FA's went on stike their union called for a 10 strike.They new how long they were going to be out, plus they were a lot younger then.

Thanks for the clarification on the SMA's."

Everyone is full of rhetoric, no one wins in strike, I want my pay raise, I want separate contracts, and then I want my binky....and my glass of warm milk and cookies.

Just vote YES again for more concessions Duck, let out some boo-hoo's, and then shut the F up.
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well said!
 
Hackman said:
Just be truthful Duck, with a coward like you it's never a good time for any type of fight. There is no strike issue for you, and never will be. You have shown over and over here that you just want your pay raise because your on the line, but you won't fight for it for any reason. We saw your type during the NWA strike in 2005, I can't strike because _________. (Fill in excuse here) Now NOBODY is hoping that will happen, not by a long shot, but sometimes it must because there is no other choice. You will not agree, because you only care about yourself, your job, and just you, and no one else. I am just calling like a I see it, and it's easy to see through you, your paper thin. What will you do if the fight comes? Run across that line...... you know it.

Your resent that OH has weekends off (like most MRO's do) why don't you move like many others including myself, have? I have worked the line and overhaul, moved several times. You want to cry about others, but rather than grab the ring and do something about it, you sit and whine about it.

What I'm talking about, this exchange with Bob Owens on 11-21-1010 "I went to the meeting that Dell had at ORD for AMFA right after we voted in the concessions. Dell said "I would never take a concession without a snap back". Then UAL took concession no snap back with AMFA as their union. What I'm getting at, is that Dell was full of rhetoric at the meeting, and I believe you are full of rhetoric. If we ever sign a contract I doubt it will be any better then what was voted down. I hope I'm wrong, but I doubt it.

No reason to be insulting because I have a different point of view then you, insults will not convince me to be believe your rhetoric, actions will, all you ex-AMFA guys talk tough, but I have yet to see any results. Remember we all lose in a strike. When the FA's went on stike their union called for a 10 strike.They new how long they were going to be out, plus they were a lot younger then.

Thanks for the clarification on the SMA's."

Everyone is full of rhetoric, no one wins in strike, I want my pay raise, I want separate contracts, and then I want my binky....and my glass of warm milk and cookies.

Just vote YES again for more concessions Duck, let out some boo-hoo's, and then shut the F up.
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I'm flattered that you researched my posting, but if I remember correctly Bob was writing a lot of rhetoric that I didn't agree with. Going on strike for 20% pay cut and laying off 51% of the work force, losing health ins,OH, pensions, are all worthy strike reasons, but to go on strike because the company is offering close to a 3 dollar an hour raise and OH has to work weekends is NOT strike worthy in line mechs views. Not once have I heard "That's BS and we're not going to stand for OH working weekends" Regardless I don't think the NMB is going to release us, and I know a majority of the negotiating committee doesn't want to be released yet anyway, so strike talk is a moot point.

I neither resent OH schedule or complain about my schedule, I just don't want to receive less pay so OH doesn't have to work weekends or holidays. The best way to not have the animosity between OH and line is to have separate contracts. If I wanted to work OH I would have moved down there 25 years ago. Just like it has always been TUL says "if you don't like it, move to TUL". And yes I do want more money, as you know living in these line stations is not cheap.

As far as Owens goes, I applaud him and the other presidents for stepping up, like the majority of mechs, I have done nothing more then pay union dues.

Stikeforce wrote once to me during pointless back and forth like this "If you don't like my rhetoric, why are you responding to my posts" or something like that.

You OH guys sure are touchy B) Go fishing this weekend and relax, this is just a forum.
 
Duke787 said:
I'm flattered that you researched my posting, but if I remember correctly Bob was writing a lot of rhetoric that I didn't agree with. Going on strike for 20% pay cut and laying off 51% of the work force, losing health ins,OH, pensions, are all worthy strike reasons, but to go on strike because the company is offering close to a 3 dollar an hour raise and OH has to work weekends is NOT strike worthy in line mechs views. Not once have I heard "That's BS and we're not going to stand for OH working weekends" Regardless I don't think the NMB is going to release us, and I know a majority of the negotiating committee doesn't want to be released yet anyway, so strike talk is a moot point.

I neither resent OH schedule or complain about my schedule, I just don't want to receive less pay so OH doesn't have to work weekends or holidays. The best way to not have the animosity between OH and line is to have separate contracts. If I wanted to work OH I would have moved down there 25 years ago. Just like it has always been TUL says "if you don't like it, move to TUL". And yes I do want more money, as you know living in these line stations is not cheap.

As far as Owens goes, I applaud him and the other presidents for stepping up, like the majority of mechs, I have done nothing more then pay union dues.

Stikeforce wrote once to me during pointless back and forth like this "If you don't like my rhetoric, why are you responding to my posts" or something like that.

You OH guys sure are touchy B) Go fishing this weekend and relax, this is just a forum.
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Would the guys strike if the company eliminated the CS Policy????????
 
eolesen said:
How can you strike over something not in your contract?
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I'm only kidding E, but it's true......guys on the floor care more about a company priviledge than the contract, and AA knows it. That's why it's so liberal......out of towners live by it. Look around, do you see anyone fighting for the contract??????
 
strikeforce said:
I'm only kidding E, but it's true......guys on the floor care more about a company priviledge than the contract, and AA knows it. That's why it's so liberal......out of towners live by it. Look around, do you see anyone fighting for the contract??????
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Yep guys LOVE that CS privilege. On most Mondays and Fridays I only have half a crew! The rest have CSO to travel.
 
strikeforce said:
I'm only kidding E, but it's true......guys on the floor care more about a company priviledge than the contract, and AA knows it. That's why it's so liberal......out of towners live by it. Look around, do you see anyone fighting for the contract??????
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That's right...
Take away the overtime and CS policy and we can all stand together, until then the IGM'ers are the majority. The company and their union have us exactly where the want us, under their thumb.
 
Duke787 said:
CS policy is not part of the contract, but I'm sure there would be a lot of OT/white slipping until the CS policy was put back in place. :)
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And, that's my point.....we're screwed up as a labor group if WE fight harder for a company priviledge than our contract. Then, We shouldn't complain or worry about what Bob Owens and the TWU INTL leadership says or does because IF the people most affected by our contract don't care about what's really important to US, why should they????

So, it really isn't the leaderships fault, it's the memberships fault....the "ME" factor. If that's the case, there isn't a union out there that can change that or help US. We ALL need to look in the mirror and point the finger at ourselves.
 
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