TWU negotiations.........what?

[paul1]

I could care less about the CS policy. Get us somemore money so I don't have to work overtime. Besides the company bends over backwards to make the cs policy work for you guys. 1st There would be no other company that I know of where they would let this go on. 2nd why have the TWU get it in the contract, believe me it wouldn't be any better than it already is, yea the company could take it away , but they save alot of money with the CS policy because of over lapping shifts.

Hey you now what time it is!!!!!!

 

[Hackman]

I'm flattered that you researched my posting, but if I remember correctly Bob was writing a lot of rhetoric that I didn't agree with. Going on strike for 20% pay cut and laying off 51% of the work force, losing health ins,OH, pensions, are all worthy strike reasons, but to go on strike because the company is offering close to a 3 dollar an hour raise and OH has to work weekends is NOT strike worthy in line mechs views. Not once have I heard "That's BS and we're not going to stand for OH working weekends" Regardless I don't think the NMB is going to release us, and I know a majority of the negotiating committee doesn't want to be released yet anyway, so strike talk is a moot point.

I neither resent OH schedule or complain about my schedule, I just don't want to receive less pay so OH doesn't have to work weekends or holidays. The best way to not have the animosity between OH and line is to have separate contracts. If I wanted to work OH I would have moved down there 25 years ago. Just like it has always been TUL says "if you don't like it, move to TUL". And yes I do want more money, as you know living in these line stations is not cheap.

As far as Owens goes, I applaud him and the other presidents for stepping up, like the majority of mechs, I have done nothing more then pay union dues.

Stikeforce wrote once to me during pointless back and forth like this "If you don't like my rhetoric, why are you responding to my posts" or something like that.

You OH guys sure are touchy B) Go fishing this weekend and relax, this is just a forum.

Don't be flattered, I didn't have to look too hard, it only took 5 minutes. I don't recall anyone in OH talking about 24/7 coverage as a strike issue, it's just that it won't work for OH for management support reasons. However, you and a few other near-sighted crybabies have blown it out of proportion. OH has always been a M-F 5-8 operation, mostly because AA management and engineering demands having weekends off for golf, sailing, and parties. They don't want to be here, and they are mostly not. We have to call them at home on weekend overtime, and mostly it's a message to call back. OH has a hard time getting support during afternoons and midnights, let alone Sat-Sun. Therefore a full-on 24-7 operation would fail, because all important critical decisions would wait until Monday, like they do now. No matter what you say, you are overly concerned with OH, you've bitched about it over and over again here. What you perceive as a slight and what they get and you don't. You don't have to transfer to TULE, you can go to AFW or DWH too. Or you can just continue to whine about the other guys like a spoiled child. I guess you better go tell mom!

You talk about the $3 raise in the last failed Twu sellout like it's some grand amount worth voting YES for, but apparently you don't see all the concessions that came with that $3 pittance. Are you really that blind and stupid Duck? (BTW, Duke is too manly for you, so Duck it is B) ) Did you not see all the concessions like the retiree medical and the SMA's? Or is it just you don't care and you think those concessionary issues won't affect you, and so therefore it's "gimme me my money!!! is all you see.... gimme...gimme...gimme....screw anybody else.....just gimme my raise.... NOW!!!! Even though it is taken away with increased concessions...just gimme....right now. What a fool you are. It's a good thing that not all of the Twu membership voted with the Duck787 greed mentality, as the 2010 Twu sellout thankfully failed miserably. Most non-believer Twu captives I speak with would rather stay with the 2003 crap we have than endure another Twu sellout for a few miserly dollars and still more concessions. I'm sure you'll disagree being short-sighted as you are, but again your out numbered and out voted. I know it's hard to understand for you, but weakness is not an attribute.

The separate line/OH contract is a non-issue with most and won't happen, just give the line GEO pay problem solved. The OH animosity is what you have created, you and a few others on the line. The compAAny thanks you. My friends on the line don't think OH with weekends off is an issue at all. I guess your parents didn't teach you life lessons and not to be jealous of others. OH is all for high cost areas getting what is sorely needed to make ends meet. I know how it is, I was there.

I will call you on your BS as I see fit, because foolish greed, weakness, and stupidity are what needs to be challenged with people like yourself. Your mentality is why the company and it's toy Twu is able to divide on a whim.

I'm not touchy.... I just love to rip on YES voting bootlickers like you...it's much fun. BTW I don't fish much, but I do love to shoot. I think my Mini-14, my AR-15, a few hundred rounds, and about 20 large pumpkins are in order....something you can't do in ORD....it's against the law. Great stress relief and a whole lot of fun. See what your missing stuck in ORD and working weekends? :huh:

 

[bigjets]

Duke don't worry about the TA until AA and the TWU agree on something. And Hackman I fear the education system has let you down, Illinois is part of the USA and is covered by the Constitution Including the 2nd amendment. <_<

 

[Kev3188]

Just my .02 from the sidelines: Anything involving removal of retiree medical should be DOA.

 

[MCI transplant]

Just my .02 from the sidelines: Anything involving removal of retiree medical should be DOA.

<_< ------FYI, We've already been notified that because of Obamacare, we'll be losing our secondary coverage, if we're on Medicare (Over 65) in 2013.----- Thank you Obama!!!! :angry:

 

[limit]

Stupidity.

Is that covered by the US constitution,or can you just be stupid and free speech protected?

Yes you can......even in your state, bigjets.

This unfortunately will not change the validity or degree of intelligence of what we write.

 

[paul1]

Hackman working weekends in OH is a issue, thats why we want extra pay for working weekends. who cares if AA doesn't have the support, the weekend is for hunting and fishing and maybe a little 4 wheeling!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[wrencher]

Hackman working weekends in OH is a issue, thats why we want extra pay for working weekends. who cares if AA doesn't have the support, the weekend is for hunting and fishing and maybe a little 4 wheeling!!!!!!!!!!!!

Or maybe soemthing more impotant spending some quality time with the kids and grandkids

 

[Birdman]

So the negotiators will give AA one more chance to reach an agreement before asking for release no later than nov 30. Would it be too much to ask for an update on details of this weeks discussions?

 

[limit]

All things considered its an issue ,but at least on the docks I am familiar with ( half the base and shops ) its way down on the priority list.
Pay ,medical and retirement are way way more important to most, and work rules are a strong second .
Weekend coverage is kind of a laugh since we all know they are either not smart enough or ambitious enough to make it work.
They have proved it time and again,by handicapping their own attempts.
Presenting it as a main reason for the people voting no on the last TA ,or even as a major issue at the base is ludicrous.

 

[Frank Szabo]

Just my .02 from the sidelines: Anything involving removal of retiree medical should be DOA.

I'd be rather happy to take back my prefunding and work 5 more 'til 65 years of age.

Remember - the "retiree medical" only applies if one is less than 65 and not covered by Medicare - ie, retires early. It's a "bridge", so to speak, made up of "insurance" of such low quality it's really not worth having - however, if one actually needs it according to some who got caught in the company's trap, it's better than not having any.

Just another stinking pile of crap that's been held over our heads like the pension by union lies.

I want the option to keep or reject it with a refund (including interest) of all prefunding paid during the past 20+ years.

 

[Kev3188]

I'd be rather happy to take back my prefunding and work 5 more 'til 65 years of age.

Remember - the "retiree medical" only applies if one is less than 65 and not covered by Medicare - ie, retires early. It's a "bridge", so to speak, made up of "insurance" of such low quality it's really not worth having - however, if one actually needs it according to some who got caught in the company's trap, it's better than not having any.

Just another stinking pile of crap that's been held over our heads like the pension by union lies.

I want the option to keep or reject it with a refund (including interest) of all prefunding paid during the past 20+ years.

I shoulda been clearer; I know it only goes to 65. I personally want to get outta dodge as early as possible. I assume others do too, which is why it's important. Life's too short to be playing airport until almost 70. Didn't realize AA's bridge coverage was so poor; at NW, ours is/was actually pretty good.

As for a pension, you and I have been in agreement for a long time now...

 

[paul1]

So the negotiators will give AA one more chance to reach an agreement before asking for release no later than nov 30. Would it be too much to ask for an update on details of this weeks discussions?

DAM IT!!!!!!!!! BIRDMAN, YOUR OUT OF ORDER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! when it time to let you know we will.......

 

[Hackman]

Duke don't worry about the TA until AA and the TWU agree on something. And Hackman I fear the education system has let you down, Illinois is part of the USA and is covered by the Constitution Including the 2nd amendment. <_<

Oh really bigjets? How wrong you are. I wasn't speaking about the state of Illinois sir, (I could include the Illinois State Senate here too) I was speaking about ORD, the anti-gun city of Chicago. Before you open your pie hole again, maybe you should educate yourself on how the Windy City has trampled all over it's citizens 2nd amendment rights and had to be taken to Supreme Courts' wood shed for a spanking. Just like anti-gun Washington DC got owned in the Heller case.

I know it's off the subject, but since you asked for it....here some information for you, read it; http://www.suntimes.com/news/otherviews/5609403-452/quit-your-anti-gun-tantrum-chicago.html

Here is the landmark Supreme court case proving Chicago, land of Nobama, is vehemently anti-second amendment; http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/09pdf/08-1521.pdf

Any more ignorant statements? I didn't think so.

Two years ago, in District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U. S. ___, this Court held that the Second Amendment protects the right to keep and bear arms for the purpose of self-defense and struck down a Dis-trict of Columbia law that banned the possession of handguns in thehome. Chicago (hereinafter City) and the village of Oak Park, a Chi-cago suburb, have laws effectively banning handgun possession byalmost all private citizens. After Heller, petitioners filed this federalsuit against the City, which was consolidated with two related ac-tions, alleging that the City’s handgun ban has left them vulnerable to criminals. They sought a declaration that the ban and several re-lated City ordinances violate the Second and Fourteenth Amend-ments. Rejecting petitioners’ argument that the ordinances are un-constitutional, the court noted that the Seventh Circuit previouslyhad upheld the constitutionality of a handgun ban, that Heller had explicitly refrained from opining on whether the Second Amendment applied to the States, and that the court had a duty to follow estab-lished Circuit precedent. The Seventh Circuit affirmed, relying on three 19th-century cases—United States v. Cruikshank, 92 U. S. 542, Presser v. Illinois, 116 U. S. 252, and Miller v. Texas, 153 U. S. 535— which were decided in the wake of this Court’s interpretation of theFourteenth Amendment’s Privileges or Immunities Clause in the Slaughter-House Cases, 16 Wall. 36.
Held: The judgment is reversed, and the case is remanded.

 

[bigjets]

Oh really bigjets? I wasn't speaking about the state of Illinois sir, (I could include the Illinois State Senate here too) I was speaking about ORD, the anti-gun city of Chicago. Before you open your pie hole again, maybe you should educate yourself on how the Windy City has trampled all over it's citizens 2nd amendment rights and had to be taken to Supreme Courts' wood shed for a spanking.

I know it's off the subject, but since you asked for it....here some information for you, read it; http://www.suntimes.com/news/otherviews/5609403-452/quit-your-anti-gun-tantrum-chicago.html

Here is the landmark Supreme court case proving Chicago, land of Nobama, is vehemently anti-second amendment; http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/09pdf/08-1521.pdf

Any more ignorant statements? I didn't think so.

Doesn't your articles prove that Chicago citizens can own handguns?


Maybe you should layoff the caffein.