TWU negotiations.........what?

[MCI transplant]

Because I've been told for 25 years that we have more clout due to AFL-CIO affiliation than both the APA and APFA thats why. Are you saying that the International should not be believed? We supported certain candidates because we were told they would support labor. Well we paid the fee, lets see if we get the service. We supported Obama, lets ask him to support us, or should we just stand aside and continue to do without while all our political Capital is used to protect a Unions right to collect dues from Government workers or get representational elections at non-union carriers?

<_< ------ Bob, the AFL-CIO is nothing but another level of a huge dues collecting machine! They can't even, or won't, mediate disputes of it's own member Unions!------ What have they done for the Labor movement in the last few years? Nothing that I can remember! In fact, the number of Union membership in this country is at an all time low thanks in part to the lack of leadership from that organization!----- No Sir, I sure as hell can't see any reason to brag on membership to the AFL-CIO!!!

 

[Overspeed]

Because I've been told for 25 years that we have more clout due to AFL-CIO affiliation than both the APA and APFA thats why. Are you saying that the International should not be believed? We supported certain candidates because we were told they would support labor. Well we paid the fee, lets see if we get the service. We supported Obama, lets ask him to support us, or should we just stand aside and continue to do without while all our political Capital is used to protect a Unions right to collect dues from Government workers or get representational elections at non-union carriers?

The candidates do support labor however they also balance that with the fact they are part of a bigger machine called politics. All officers dabble in their "local" sand boxes such as you in 562. You tell people what they want to hear so you wil get elected and complain when you can't deliver that it's the other guy's fault. Kind of like what Republicans and Democrats do in government. Those in the know at the Int'l most likely have been telling you Bob that the AFL-CIO lever is inoperative due to elections, the weak job market, and bizarre financial condition the world is in. So you puff out your chest, spout all the things you think we want to hear so you can get re-elected, and who suffers? The members.

Labor does not have the leverage you think they have right now. Of course, we can test that theory in 2013 when we finally get the release you so dearly desire.

 

[Buck]

The candidates do support labor however they also balance that with the fact they are part of a bigger machine called politics. All officers dabble in their "local" sand boxes such as you in 562. You tell people what they want to hear so you will get elected and complain when you can't deliver that it's the other guy's fault. Kind of like what Republicans and Democrats do in government. Those in the know at the Int'l most likely have been telling you Bob that the AFL-CIO lever is inoperative due to elections, the weak job market, and bizarre financial condition the world is in. So you puff out your chest, spout all the things you think we want to hear so you can get re-elected, and who suffers? The members.

Labor does not have the leverage you think they have right now. Of course, we can test that theory in 2013 when we finally get the release you so dearly desire.

we can test that theory in 2013 when we finally get the release you so dearly desire.

How did you know we were getting released in 2013? Could you be more specific down to the month and day? Or are we getting a contract at that time?

 

[strikeforce]

So you puff out your chest, spout all the things you think we want to hear so you can get re-elected, and who suffers? The members.

We've been suffering for decades at the hands of the union and company. We continue to elect the same "do nothing" and "self-serving " clowns. If people are satisfied with paying union dues in exchange for paying more concessions.....elect the clowns, otherwise "GET RID OF THE TWU"!!!!! How many times do I have to say it????

 

[Buck]

OOO​

 

[787nightmare]

<_< ------ Bob, the AFL-CIO is nothing but another level of a huge dues collecting machine! They can't even, or won't, mediate disputes of it's own member Unions!------ What have they done for the Labor movement in the last few years? Nothing that I can remember! In fact, the number of Union membership in this country is at an all time low thanks in part to the lack of leadership from that organization!----- No Sir, I sure as hell can't see any reason to brag on membership to the AFL-CIO!!!

Which...I believe, is why Teamsters/Hoffa seperated from them a few years back, no?

 

[odie01]

Rumor at AFW is the twu international is not disclosing the maintenance packages that were included in the lease agreement between Boeing and Scarebus. Go figure.

Q: Employee: Acquiring 460 new aircraft will replace not only the MD-80s, but also the B757 and B767 fleets. The heavy checks on these three models of aircraft employ thousands of AMTs and support personnel. The new aircraft replacing these older models will not need heavy checks for several years. How much of an impact will this be for maintenance employees at AA, especially at the overhaul bases?

A: Jim Ream: We have not yet developed the maintenance programs for the new aircraft; therefore, we have not determined if or how the maintenance team may impacted, by discipline or location. Once we develop those programs and complete the forecast of required work, the plans will be shared with our maintenance employees

 

[odie01]

Rumor at AFW is the twu international is not disclosing the maintenance packages that were included in the lease agreement between Boeing and Scarebus. Go figure.

Q: Employee: Acquiring 460 new aircraft will replace not only the MD-80s, but also the B757 and B767 fleets. The heavy checks on these three models of aircraft employ thousands of AMTs and support personnel. The new aircraft replacing these older models will not need heavy checks for several years. How much of an impact will this be for maintenance employees at AA, especially at the overhaul bases?

A: Jim Ream: We have not yet developed the maintenance programs for the new aircraft; therefore, we have not determined if or how the maintenance team may impacted, by discipline or location. Once we develop those programs and complete the forecast of required work, the plans will be shared with our maintenance employees

Oh, I forgot to add this
http://www.airbus.com/support/maintenance-engineering/

 

[Rogallo]

Oh, I forgot to add this
http://www.airbus.com/support/maintenance-engineering/

Already the results of the MRO Network’s first operations have been very positive with customer satisfaction reaching very high levels. Two new members joined the MRO (Maintenance Repair and Overhaul) Network, Mexicana MRO Services and Abu Dhabi Aircraft Technologies.

Soon to be added, AA-MRO. :unsure: :unsure: Can you see the writing!!!

http://aa-mro.com/company/

 

[Frank Szabo]

Already the results of the MRO Network’s first operations have been very positive with customer satisfaction reaching very high levels. Two new members joined the MRO (Maintenance Repair and Overhaul) Network, Mexicana MRO Services and Abu Dhabi Aircraft Technologies.

Soon to be added, AA-MRO. :unsure: :unsure: Can you see the writing!!!

http://aa-mro.com/company/

What I see is a website, probably put together as a tacit threat to AA's mechanics. The company is rather devious when they want things a certain way and they have their defacto wholly owned subsidiary, the twu, to assist in any way ordered as the big boys don't like to dirty their hands with we rabble - that's what we pay the twu for - right?

Why would they solicit business when (at least at TULE) they've ran most of the contract work off? FedEx, Alligiant, Miami Air, the inability to install winglets with at least 100 holes misdrilled requiring plugs - how much farther should I go? WTF? - over.

 

[olderguyAMT]

What I see is a website, probably put together as a tacit threat to AA's mechanics. The company is rather devious when they want things a certain way and they have their defacto wholly owned subsidiary, the twu, to assist in any way ordered as the big boys don't like to dirty their hands with we rabble - that's what we pay the twu for - right?

Why would they solicit business when (at least at TULE) they've ran most of the contract work off? FedEx, Alligiant, Miami Air, the inability to install winglets with at least 100 holes misdrilled requiring plugs - how much farther should I go? WTF? - over.

What? Holes misdrilled? Through the eyes of the Company, any AMT can do metal work. But, we know that the skill takes years to develop, and not all AMT's have the knack for drilling a straight hole. Some just don't have the aptitude for the work, and are not good at it; while others excel! So they send an AMT to structures school, and viola, they have created a qualified super skilled sheetmetal guy? Am I making a case for Higher Skill Pay? Then we see the Co. offering the welders and others an increase in Skill Pay while keeping the AMT at satus quo rates. Not dissing the welders, but do they really have the FAA accountability compared to AMT's? Classic divide and conquer strategy? Maybe mgmt cant tell the dif. between skill levels, not having a clue!

 

[Bob Owens]

What I see is a website, probably put together as a tacit threat to AA's mechanics. The company is rather devious when they want things a certain way and they have their defacto wholly owned subsidiary, the twu, to assist in any way ordered as the big boys don't like to dirty their hands with we rabble - that's what we pay the twu for - right?

Why would they solicit business when (at least at TULE) they've ran most of the contract work off? FedEx, Alligiant, Miami Air, the inability to install winglets with at least 100 holes misdrilled requiring plugs - how much farther should I go? WTF? - over.

They've had that for years, an elected vp at one of the maintenance locals actually uses the logo as part of his signature on e- mails!

 

[Bob Owens]

The candidates do support labor however they also balance that with the fact they are part of a bigger machine called politics. All officers dabble in their "local" sand boxes such as you in 562. You tell people what they want to hear so you wil get elected and complain when you can't deliver that it's the other guy's fault.

And people like you hide behind aliases and tell us what the company wants you to tell us while you try and portray yourself as a union man.

Funny how now that there's an election all of a sudden i do what i do you just to get re-elected, even though its been what i've been doing since i first got on line at the-mechanic.com well over ten years ago. The internationals plan didn't work last time, send in Steve Luis and a few of Don's other disciples the week the ballots go out to tell the guys they at a critical point in negotiations and they didn't want any new faces at negotiations, Luis pledged that he supported Geo pay, that he was from New Jersey and understood the need for it and they needed to keep the team intact. They fooled quite a few guys, six months later Luis broke his word, but according to you I was out of line revealing that.

One of the guys on the committee reported a discussion that he heard during our last election between Don V. And my predecessor. It went like this;
Don V " Don't worry John, Owens won't be a problem for you ( in the election).
John; if he wins, he wont be my problem, he will be your problem!
Shortly afterwards, the week the ballots went out, JFK had their first visit ever by the President of Tulsa, Chicago, Detroit and an officer from AFW telling the guys that they were at a critical point in the contract and did not want to see any new faces at the table.

So is this part of the Internationals plan to get me out? Claim that I made promises that I didn't and that I say what I do just to get re- elected?

 

[PhatSappy]

I definitely need a new job. These losers aren't going to meet my salary expectations in an acceptable amount of time.

 

[Overspeed]

How did you know we were getting released in 2013? Could you be more specific down to the month and day? Or are we getting a contract at that time?

Our Pres said that he was informed by the Int'l that there was no way the TWU would get released until after the election. Specific date? Didn't get that.