TWU negotiations.........what?

[iluvaa]

Missed this;

http://www.twu.org/international/IECandB/international_vice_presidents

HaHa now thats funny Duke how ya like them apples

 

[strikeforce]

So if the NMB won't declare an impasse - for now - and the company or union can continue to make incremental changes to narrow the gap where does that leave us? Sounds like we the members will be waiting, and waiting, and waiting for the TWU to either dig in - based on your description of those in the room, not likely - or the Company to dig in. Company knows that by making incremental changes they push the likelihood of an impasse. So even though you feel that you have the upper hand you don't. The rules of the "game" are set and you still refuse to acknowledge that. Given your position, we the members are stuck with watching, feeling frustrated, and eventually we are faced with the reality of negotiations that seem endless. Is the strategy to get enough "no" voters and get us to the "impasse" declaration you so desire? If that's true maybe you should start now to prepare your members for a possible walkout now. We need to start building that cash reserve to pay our bills if we have to truly be prepared for job losses that could come unless the Company gives in and no one gets negatively impacted by a strike - yeah, that will happen.

The rules of the game have been in place since 2008, and as a matter of fact, the union should have been preparing for this in 2003. The membership has been watching, not participating, in these negotiations. This is unacceptable, but the membership can only go on information provided by it's leaders.....which has been little, if any. I started building cash reserves since 2003, and am very well prepared to weather the storm, but the issue here is membership participation, and I don't see any besides watching and playing with laptops. The contract may very well be owned by the INTL, but it's our contract because it affects all of us and unless WE take ownership in our future, we might as well dismiss the possibility that appointed INTL officers will get us a contract, let alone a good one. Chaos can only happen at the field, and only by the people it directly affects! Forget about a strike, but lots of metal sitting around is a very good possibility.....only when we decide to Participate!!!!!

 

[Duke787]

HaHa now thats funny Duke how ya like them apples

I'm still speechless.

Wasn't Luis voted out of office, Now he is a vice president in the international, Am I reading that correctly? If that is the case, it doesn't seem right to have a member voted out of office, but yet promoted inside the union. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[comatose]

I'm still speechless.

Wasn't Luis voted out of office, Now he is a vice president in the international, Am I reading that correctly? If that is the case, it doesn't seem right to have a member voted out of office, but yet promoted inside the union. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

If you're in the ORD local, then I would suggest you look how Orlando strong armed his way into the International twenty some years ago.

It has to with a threatening letter to start an AMFA movement at AA.


I believe he couldn't even hold an elected position either.


Surprised now?

 

[Flying low]

The UAW announced the GM agreement just after 11 p.m. Friday (0300 GMT Saturday), after a little more than seven weeks of closed-door bargaining.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/09/17/general-motors-and-united-auto-workers-agree-on-new-contract/?test=latestnews

Seven weeks, Imagine that!!!

 

[strikeforce]

If you're in the ORD local, then I would suggest you look how Orlando strong armed his way into the International twenty some years ago.

It has to with a threatening letter to start an AMFA movement at AA.


I believe he couldn't even hold an elected position either.


Surprised now?

I'm not surprised at all!

The TWU officers are NOT in office for the benefit of the membership....Most are self-serving and that's why WE are in deep trouble. The union and company have been double-teaming the membership from day one, and unless WE somehow throw out these bums and clean house.....We will never see more money, benefits and a secure retirement & employment. Period!!!

 

[Bob Owens]

I'm still speechless.

Wasn't Luis voted out of office, Now he is a vice president in the international, Am I reading that correctly? If that is the case, it doesn't seem right to have a member voted out of office, but yet promoted inside the union. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

He was voted into the International spot at the Convention, for a four year term in 2009, a few months after failing to support GEO like he told everyone he would. He was voted out of his Local spot in 2010 after endorsing the TA which was rejected.

 

[FWAAA]

The UAW announced the GM agreement just after 11 p.m. Friday (0300 GMT Saturday), after a little more than seven weeks of closed-door bargaining.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/09/17/general-motors-and-united-auto-workers-agree-on-new-contract/?test=latestnews

Seven weeks, Imagine that!!!

That's impressive. GM earned $4.2 billion in the first six months of 2011 after earning $4.5 billion in 2010; amazing just how easy it is to satisfy wage demands from labor when there's excess money with which to pay them.

 

[Bob Owens]

That's impressive. GM earned $4.2 billion in the first six months of 2011 after earning $4.5 billion in 2010; amazing just how easy it is to satisfy wage demands from labor when there's excess money with which to pay them.

Guess GM couldnt spend it as fast as AA.

 

[Chuck Schalk]

OIL is down 5 dollars today to 80 dollars a barrel!! Didn't everyone cry about the bottom line with the cost of fuel so high? OIL high was around 110 dollars? I am not an accountant but this should equate to huge cost savings. Maybe Accountant Donnolly can run the numbers in our corner for a change? let us know how much the company is saving instead of how much the company pays everytime oil goes up 10 cents.

 

[TWU informer]

Maybe we can get an accountant to put a total dollar figure on how much the membership has lost since the T/A was rejected. I know I am personally down over $15,000.00 in lost pay since we began the latest version of "save the profession". Stock Market crashing, Double Dip Recession in full swing, Mediator walked out on negotiations, and no more formal negotiations scheduled.

Who has a link the YouTube Vote No Video?

 

[High Speed Steel]

Maybe we can get an accountant to put a total dollar figure on how much the membership has lost since the T/A was rejected. I know I am personally down over $15,000.00 in lost pay since we began the latest version of "save the profession". Stock Market crashing, Double Dip Recession in full swing, Mediator walked out on negotiations, and no more formal negotiations scheduled.

Who has a link the YouTube Vote No Video?

Go to TWU562.org. click on YouTube video's to access the "Bob-n-Chuck Jamboree", a multiple episode variety show that offers plenty of "singin-n-dancin"....

 

[FWAAA]

OIL is down 5 dollars today to 80 dollars a barrel!! Didn't everyone cry about the bottom line with the cost of fuel so high? OIL high was around 110 dollars? I am not an accountant but this should equate to huge cost savings. Maybe Accountant Donnolly can run the numbers in our corner for a change? let us know how much the company is saving instead of how much the company pays everytime oil goes up 10 cents.

You don't have to be an accountant to realize that turbine engines burn jet fuel (similar to kerosene) and not crude oil and they're never priced the same.

Crude prices have been slipping for weeks yet the spot price of jetA has lingered at or above $3/gal (equal to about $126/bbl) for most of 2011. Sure, a drop in oil prices will be a good thing for airlines' bottom line IF the drop isn't very short term and IF the price of refined products similarly retreats. So far in 2011, AA's jet fuel bill has been more than 5 times higher than it was in 1998 and 1999.

 

[Hopeful]

You don't have to be an accountant to realize that turbine engines burn jet fuel (similar to kerosene) and not crude oil and they're never priced the same.

Crude prices have been slipping for weeks yet the spot price of jetA has lingered at or above $3/gal (equal to about $126/bbl) for most of 2011. Sure, a drop in oil prices will be a good thing for airlines' bottom line IF the drop isn't very short term and IF the price of refined products similarly retreats. So far in 2011, AA's jet fuel bill has been more than 5 times higher than it was in 1998 and 1999.

Yea go figure the supply demand of the market. I remember when diesel fuel was way cheaper than gasoline...But low and behold it is the other way around now...

 

[strikeforce]

Just an interesting side note regarding aircraft mechanic wages.

Flight Simulator technicians represented by the TWU make more money than AMT's. I just find it interesting that mechanics that fix "fake" airplanes make more money than ones that fix the "real" thing??? What's wrong with that picture????

I'm not bashing the flight sims....just making a point about our wages.

Flight sims make $34.86 per hour......AMT's around $33 with license premiums. Go to jetnet and see for yourself.