TWU negotiations.........what?

[Buck]

Why did the price of oil go down? Could it be that demand is dropping because the best bet is the economy is heading for a double dip? It's not just oil. Remember SARS, Iceland volcano, the housing crash, the banking crisis, etc...? It's called being lean and have the liquidity to ride out the downturn. Have to look at more than one indicator or variable to get the whole picture. Do you diagnosis an aircraft problem off one parameter or piece of data?

Another parts changer.

It depends on the conditions. In OH there is a lot of part changing because we have the time. On the line some items are fixed and some are defferred. Supply and Demand.

 

[TIME FOR CHANGE]

Why did the price of oil go down? Could it be that demand is dropping because the best bet is the economy is heading for a double dip? It's not just oil. Remember SARS, Iceland volcano, the housing crash, the banking crisis, etc...? It's called being lean and have the liquidity to ride out the downturn. Have to look at more than one indicator or variable to get the whole picture. Do you diagnosis an aircraft problem off one parameter or piece of data?

Another parts changer.

There should be plenty of liquidity and around 30 percent leaner than the 2003 numbers. Seems your parameters and data are off... No raise since 03...what is your answer "let them eat cake"

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Oil-near-86-as-outlook-for-apf-226256381.html?x=0&sec=topStories&pos=1&asset=&ccode=

"The drop in crude -- oil is down from near $115 in May -- should also lower costs for products such as gasoline and help free up some consumer purchasing power"

 

[Overspeed]

There should be plenty of liquidity and around 30 percent leaner than the 2003 numbers. Seems your parameters and data are off... No raise since 03...what is your answer "let them eat cake"

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Oil-near-86-as-outlook-for-apf-226256381.html?x=0&sec=topStories&pos=1&asset=&ccode=

"The drop in crude -- oil is down from near $115 in May -- should also lower costs for products such as gasoline and help free up some consumer purchasing power"

We'll see about the economy. Seems like the top tier are profiting at everyone else's expense.

Leaner yes but lean enough? Liquidity? If you are speaking of cash, zero balance isn't the floor unless you are planning on liquidating the company. The floor on cash is probably based on cash needed to operate through a restructuring if you got that low. Don't believe AMR is there.

Yes the drop in oil should help the consumer bleed less. The drop in crude in not due to supply increases, it's due to lack of confidence in the manufacturing sector. That means the possiblity of low job growth, more price sensitivity, and low consumer confidence. There is more to the economy than oil prices.

No do not agree with let them eat cake. Why are we hiring so many people and recalling them? I would rather pay my existing staff more and flex headcount with OT.

 

[Buck]

Why did the price of oil go down? Could it be that demand is dropping because the best bet is the economy is heading for a double dip? It's not just oil. Remember SARS, Iceland volcano, the housing crash, the banking crisis, etc...? It's called being lean and have the liquidity to ride out the downturn. Have to look at more than one indicator or variable to get the whole picture. Do you diagnosis an aircraft problem off one parameter or piece of data?

Another parts changer.

It's called being lean and have the liquidity to ride out the downturn.

Is this the TWU policy?, to remain lean, to ride out the contractual downturn(s).

 

[Buck]

We'll see about the economy. Seems like the top tier are profiting at everyone else's expense.

Leaner yes but lean enough? Liquidity? If you are speaking of cash, zero balance isn't the floor unless you are planning on liquidating the company. The floor on cash is probably based on cash needed to operate through a restructuring if you got that low. Don't believe AMR is there.

Yes the drop in oil should help the consumer bleed less. The drop in crude in not due to supply increases, it's due to lack of confidence in the manufacturing sector. That means the possiblity of low job growth, more price sensitivity, and low consumer confidence. There is more to the economy than oil prices.

No do not agree with let them eat cake. Why are we hiring so many people and recalling them? I would rather pay my existing staff more and flex headcount with OT.

Why are we hiring so many people and recalling them? I would rather pay my existing staff more and flex headcount with OT.

We, does that mean that the TWU is hiring with the company? Or are you a member of management? If you would rather pay your existing staff more, then why do you constantly defend the concessionary T/A's?

 

[Frank Szabo]

We, does that mean that the TWU is hiring with the company? Or are you a member of management? If you would rather pay your existing staff more, then why do you constantly defend the concessionary T/A's?

I see underspeed sidestepped your question as do most of the pro-company union boys if given a chance.

What WOULD these pro-company butt-snorkelers be called if we had to come up with acronyms for them as is done with nearly everything else? Pro-company-union is rather unwieldy and really needs to be shortened, but how?

Kinda like it was proposed the OSMs be referred to as Professionals, ergo POSMs (possums) but that didn't work well. It's not as simple as "You tell me what to call it and I'll tell you what to feed it" kind of thing.

What name would we call these turncoats by that would sell their own mothers into servitude if the union or company required it of them for their personal gain while ruining the hopes of all that will follow them into the pit?

The most accurate names (or suggestions) couldn't be printed here, even though this board has become quite a bit looser in their tolerance of language. If one wanted to get across with accuracy their treasonous conduct towards their fellow men, how would a word reflect that?

Food for thought, ladies and gents.

 

[TWU informer]

High Speed Steel, OverSpeed, CIO or any other TWU defender/sympathizer.

What is the status of the Landing Gear Outosurce. and the CFM-56 Engine Outsource, grievance decisions?

Surely we have something to celebrate by now?

Or are we experiencing another TWU sweep under the rug, while holding back information to the membership?

Just Sayin...

 

[Overspeed]

I see underspeed sidestepped your question as do most of the pro-company union boys if given a chance.

What WOULD these pro-company butt-snorkelers be called if we had to come up with acronyms for them as is done with nearly everything else? Pro-company-union is rather unwieldy and really needs to be shortened, but how?

Kinda like it was proposed the OSMs be referred to as Professionals, ergo POSMs (possums) but that didn't work well. It's not as simple as "You tell me what to call it and I'll tell you what to feed it" kind of thing.

What name would we call these turncoats by that would sell their own mothers into servitude if the union or company required it of them for their personal gain while ruining the hopes of all that will follow them into the pit?

The most accurate names (or suggestions) couldn't be printed here, even though this board has become quite a bit looser in their tolerance of language. If one wanted to get across with accuracy their treasonous conduct towards their fellow men, how would a word reflect that?

Food for thought, ladies and gents.

Side step? Uh, no.

Member of a union for over 35 years.

Was making a hypothetical statement of how it would benefit members to have stability through flexing work peaks through OT not a hiring and layoff cycle. Unless you like layoffs?

Higher pay for better quality and production? Yes. Then we can sell the public on the concept that union people are the best people to work on your plane. If you are advocating restriction of output as a way to get more jobs at the expense of higher pay and benefits than in the words of Charlie Sheen you are WINNING!

 

[Frank Szabo]

Huh??

 

[Observer]

High Speed Steel, OverSpeed, CIO or any other TWU defender/sympathizer.

What is the status of the Landing Gear Outosurce. and the CFM-56 Engine Outsource, grievance decisions?

Surely we have something to celebrate by now?

Or are we experiencing another TWU sweep under the rug, while holding back information to the membership?

Just Sayin...

the local should be able to tell you what the decision was on the landing gear case, not sure about the other one.

 

[TWU informer]

the local should be able to tell you what the decision was on the landing gear case, not sure about the other one.

You have No Information about the question. Was not asked to answer the question.
But you feel compelled to muddle the forum with your nothing.
I checked the local wesite....same nothing there that you have provided.

 

[Observer]

You have No Information about the question. Was not asked to answer the question.
But you feel compelled to muddle the forum with your nothing.
I checked the local wesite....same nothing there that you have provided.

PUT YOUR BODY behind your mouth, go to 514 and ask for the decision on M10-2062

 

[Bob Owens]

We'll see about the economy. Seems like the top tier are profiting at everyone else's expense.

Leaner yes but lean enough? Liquidity? If you are speaking of cash, zero balance isn't the floor unless you are planning on liquidating the company. The floor on cash is probably based on cash needed to operate through a restructuring if you got that low. Don't believe AMR is there.

Yes the drop in oil should help the consumer bleed less. The drop in crude in not due to supply increases, it's due to lack of confidence in the manufacturing sector. That means the possiblity of low job growth, more price sensitivity, and low consumer confidence. There is more to the economy than oil prices.

No do not agree with let them eat cake. Why are we hiring so many people and recalling them? I would rather pay my existing staff more and flex headcount with OT.

Funny how when the price of fuel goes up, those on the company side point out the impact of fuel to the company but then when fuel goes down they seem to find that as a sign of doom and gllom as well.

Did the price of fuel go down because of demand or supply changes? Doesnt seem that either of those things drove the increase. Basically the oil companies are in a postion where they can do as they want with the economy. They can use oil the way the government uses taxes and change the price regardless of demand. The difference is that when the government changes taxes generally those tax revenues are dispersed across the economy, when the oil companies increase prices it just goes to their shareholders.

We should Nationalize the oil companies just like the way the government nationalized Labor under the RLA. Oil companies should have to continue to supply oil "for the good of the Nation" and have to negotiate with a consumer representative in order to raise the price of oil the way unions under the RLA have to continue to provide labor until a new agreement is reached. Just as individual workers have the option to cut their losses, quit and leave the industry shareholders could even more easily sell off their stock. Hey if its good for the goose its good for the Gander.

Although any drop in oil prices will be welcomed for us consumers at AA the savings would likely be soaked up by AA to pay for Medical, while fuel has increased a lot it's paled compared to what AA is charging us for our medical, thats gone up by around 600% since 2003. I pay more for Medical than I do for gas, that was not the case in 2003, and my wages are lower to boot, a triple whammy. Our employer on the other hand has cut the size of the company by over 1/3rd, increased revenues in the billions yet they claim to still be struggling. Whereas as we have three clamities to deal with AA has seen their revenues soar while slashing the company, the increased revenue more than makes up for the increase in fuel, the savings by slashing of the operation by a third seem to have dissapeared.

AA actually made a profit off me last year where my coverage cost more than my claims. In their latest proposal they want to be able to increase it at an even greater rate, at this rate the TWU Medical will be a profitable entity and can be the equivelent to AMR of what Sabre used to be. AMR is using the profits from TWU members premiums to pay for their contractual obligations to Pilots and Flight Attendants. There's no way that claims by TWU members drove costs up by 600%.

I agree with you that the company should refrain from hiring but from what I hear they pretty much have to because guys are working so much OT they are running into FAA minimums.

 

[Buck]

Funny how when the price of fuel goes up, those on the company side point out the impact of fuel to the company but then when fuel goes down they seem to find that as a sign of doom and gloom as well.

Did the price of fuel go down because of demand or supply changes? Doesn't seem that either of those things drove the increase. Basically the oil companies are in a position where they can do as they want with the economy. They can use oil the way the government uses taxes and change the price regardless of demand. The difference is that when the government changes taxes generally those tax revenues are dispersed across the economy, when the oil companies increase prices it just goes to their shareholders.

We should Nationalize the oil companies just like the way the government nationalized Labor under the RLA. Oil companies should have to continue to supply oil "for the good of the Nation" and have to negotiate with a consumer representative in order to raise the price of oil the way unions under the RLA have to continue to provide labor until a new agreement is reached. Just as individual workers have the option to cut their losses, quit and leave the industry shareholders could even more easily sell off their stock. Hey if its good for the goose its good for the Gander.

Although any drop in oil prices will be welcomed for us consumers at AA the savings would likely be soaked up by AA to pay for Medical, while fuel has increased a lot it's paled compared to what AA is charging us for our medical, thats gone up by around 600% since 2003. I pay more for Medical than I do for gas, that was not the case in 2003, and my wages are lower to boot, a triple whammy. Our employer on the other hand has cut the size of the company by over 1/3rd, increased revenues in the billions yet they claim to still be struggling. Whereas as we have three calamities to deal with AA has seen their revenues soar while slashing the company, the increased revenue more than makes up for the increase in fuel, the savings by slashing of the operation by a third seem to have disappeared.

AA actually made a profit off me last year where my coverage cost more than my claims. In their latest proposal they want to be able to increase it at an even greater rate, at this rate the TWU Medical will be a profitable entity and can be the equivalent to AMR of what Sabre used to be. AMR is using the profits from TWU members premiums to pay for their contractual obligations to Pilots and Flight Attendants. There's no way that claims by TWU members drove costs up by 600%.

I agree with you that the company should refrain from hiring but from what I hear they pretty much have to because guys are working so much OT they are running into FAA minimums.

AA actually made a profit off me last year where my coverage cost more than my claims. In their latest proposal they want to be able to increase it at an even greater rate, at this rate the TWU Medical will be a profitable entity and can be the equivalent to AMR of what Sabre used to be. AMR is using the profits from TWU members premiums to pay for their contractual obligations to Pilots and Flight Attendants. There's no way that claims by TWU members drove costs up by 600%

Why did the company stop updating the Total Value Statement on JetNet/Benefits at 2009?

My medical was and probably will continue to be at the other end of the spectrum.

 

[Bob Owens]

Why did the company stop updating the Total Value Statement on JetNet/Benefits at 2009?

My medical was and probably will continue to be at the other end of the spectrum.

Could be the medical, or the Pension. In my TVS the pension contribution was valued at $1127.6 for the year but in negotiations with the 401K at 5% they would have to contribute around $3500.

The company admitted that switching to the DC plan would cost more, and the TVS confirms that, but that over the long term they expect that changing over would pay off.

I get the feeling that there is something fishy about the penion plan as far as what happens if they are able to keep our wages low, forcing us to work into old age, therefore they would pay out less becuase we would end up having to work until we were no longer fit, in other words near death, like some of our brothers from TWA. With the average life expectany of a male in the US at 75 keeping people on the Job till 65 or later would reduce the amount of payments from the pension plan by huge amounts. Taking away prefunding and putting in a plan where its nearly impossible to accumulate enough sick time to cover the gap from 60 to 65 is another attempt by the company to force us to work longer. My question is if the current rates are determined by age 60 retirements and now many unexpectedly work till they are 70, and all the New hires go to a 401 K match that they attack later, what would happen to the excess funds in the Pension plan? Would it be another future windfall for the company like the Supplimental Medical, where they duped the employees to buy coverage that they would never collect and pocketed over $70 million or the Retiree Medical where they intend to pocket $57 million? This could easily be in the hundreds of millions or more.