TWU negotiations.........what?

[TWU informer]

Who files for Bankruptcy first?

40% of the TWU Membership

or

AA

If management was half as good at managing as they are at stalling negotiations and walking over Dollars to pick up a penny, there would be no need for either of the above to suffer.

If TWU Leadeship was half as good at representation as they are at political contributions, sign making, and slogan creation, there would be no need for either of the above to suffer.

Both sides are so dug in and ignorant, it is like visiting a Theater on a regular monthly schedule to watch a horror movie over and over, and each time you leave the theater you have lees than when you went in.

 

[787nightmare]

PUT YOUR BODY behind your mouth, go to 514 and ask for the decision on M10-2062
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I would think that the union would post any and ALL information up on bb's all over the mx system ASAP. Why would I have to run down to the hall or some 514 office and inquire about the outcome of the grievances? That's BS...................unless, of course they've been told eat $#it by the Co.
That's there damned jobs!

 

[Buck]

PUT YOUR BODY behind your mouth, go to 514 and ask for the decision on M10-2062

I would think that the union would post any and ALL information up on bb's all over the mx system ASAP. Why would I have to run down to the hall or some 514 office and inquire about the outcome of the grievances? That's BS...................unless, of course they've been told eat $#it by the Co.
That's there damned jobs!

I went to TWU 514 web site. Found the Grievance List and it only showed the last twenty. Can anyone explain why the list is only the last twenty? Why would the membership not have the ability to see every part of the business?

 

[Boomer]

I went to TWU 514 web site. Found the Grievance List and it only showed the last twenty. Can anyone explain why the list is only the last twenty? Why would the membership not have the ability to see every part of the business?

Buck,
Can anyone explain why all Arbitration cases are not posted in a manner that retains confidentiality but conveys the decision of the Arbitror in a manner readily conveyed to the Union Membership?

 

[TWU informer]

Buck,
Can anyone explain why all Arbitration cases are not posted in a manner that retains confidentiality but conveys the decision of the Arbitror in a manner readily conveyed to the Union Membership?

Because they lose so many the members would rebel upon knowing the truth.

 

[Buck]

Buck,
Can anyone explain why all Arbitration cases are not posted in a manner that retains confidentiality but conveys the decision of the Arbitror in a manner readily conveyed to the Union Membership?

If M10-2062 is a Arbitration case, the answer is the same if only a minor grievance. The web site is password protected. I am not sure what there is to hide. I understand that during the process, that information requires some discretion, however when a case is complete any member should be able to log in and obtain at the least the decision. If the decision became a letter of agreement or a contractual issue, why all the secrecy?

 

[Chuck Schalk]

Oil is down to 81 dollars a barrel, Where is my jetnet news flash on the millions the company will save!!!!!!

 

[Overspeed]

Oil is down to 81 dollars a barrel, Where is my jetnet news flash on the millions the company will save!!!!!!

The savings are being passed on the customers.

Airlines Cut Fares

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44060732/ns/travel-news/

 

[Frank Szabo]

The savings are being passed on the customers.
QQ q
Airlines Cut Fares

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44060732/ns/travel-news/o

They'd raised fares, taking advantage of not collecting federal taxes, dummy. The airlines did nothing but take advantage of customers and set pricing to where it was.

 

[Buck]

They'd raised fares, taking advantage of not collecting federal taxes, dummy. The airlines did nothing but take advantage of customers and set pricing to where it was.

Gee Frank that was rather obvious since it has been in the news that the Republicans aligned the planets and the world ended.....

 

[FWAAA]

They'd raised fares, taking advantage of not collecting federal taxes, dummy. The airlines did nothing but take advantage of customers and set pricing to where it was.

Agree 100% with you.

I've been saying it for years: taxes on air travel aren't so much extra bonus taxes extracted from customers, they're taxes on airlines. Customers are willing to pay X for air travel and it doesn't matter how much of that X is made up of taxes on their tickets. The events of the past couple of weeks illustrates this principle perfectly as the media squawked about evil airlines "raising fares" because of the tax holiday. And of course the fares will have to come down now that the taxes are being collected again - if they stayed at the new higher levels, quantity demanded (number of tickets sold) would plummet. So after a two-week tax holiday, AA and its peers are once again being taxed at outrageous levels - taking the money out of your family's paychecks and budgets.

The federal ticket excise taxes, segment taxes, airport PFCs and September 11 Security Fees are a primary reason that airlines have not been profitable for most of the past decade. If all of those taxes were canceled today, base fares would increase to the total all-in prices of today and airlines would take in billions more revenue per year than they currently do. Losses would become profits and restore and more wouldn't be just a wet dream.

The media were saying that the federal excise taxes plus the segment taxes not collected were costing the feds about $30 million per day. That's over $10 billion per year. AA's share of that is easily $2 billion per year; that's $16 billion collected by AA but not belonging to AA over the past eight years. Sure, fuel costs have been a problem, but if AA (and other airlines) weren't taxed to death, airline employees wouldn't have been punished quite as severely as they have been.

 

[Frank Szabo]

Gee Frank that was rather obvious since it has been in the news that the Republicans aligned the planets and the world ended.....

That was for quarterspeed...

 

[Bob Owens]

Agree 100% with you.

I've been saying it for years: taxes on air travel aren't so much extra bonus taxes extracted from customers, they're taxes on airlines. Customers are willing to pay X for air travel and it doesn't matter how much of that X is made up of taxes on their tickets. The events of the past couple of weeks illustrates this principle perfectly as the media squawked about evil airlines "raising fares" because of the tax holiday. And of course the fares will have to come down now that the taxes are being collected again - if they stayed at the new higher levels, quantity demanded (number of tickets sold) would plummet. So after a two-week tax holiday, AA and its peers are once again being taxed at outrageous levels - taking the money out of your family's paychecks and budgets.

The federal ticket excise taxes, segment taxes, airport PFCs and September 11 Security Fees are a primary reason that airlines have not been profitable for most of the past decade. If all of those taxes were canceled today, base fares would increase to the total all-in prices of today and airlines would take in billions more revenue per year than they currently do. Losses would become profits and restore and more wouldn't be just a wet dream.

The media were saying that the federal excise taxes plus the segment taxes not collected were costing the feds about $30 million per day. That's over $10 billion per year. AA's share of that is easily $2 billion per year; that's $16 billion collected by AA but not belonging to AA over the past eight years. Sure, fuel costs have been a problem, but if AA (and other airlines) weren't taxed to death, airline employees wouldn't have been punished quite as severely as they have been.

Well they increased fares what, seven times this year, in conjunction with oil price increases? Bookings didnt plummett despite the fact that everyone would have less disposable income as a result of the oil increase. Guess what the planes are still jamed packed. Much as they have been through every real or imagined crises for the last couple of years.

I agree that the passengers dont care whether the money goes to taxes or the carrier, they dont care whether it goes to the oil companies either and increase after increase they still keep coming.

The fact is they dont know how much they can raise the fares till they do it.


Its not the taxes, which have been there all along, its mainly the greed of oil companies thats causing the problem. Taxes go to the runways, ATC, and directly back into the community, oil revenues go to the oil companies.

For years you have cited how much of a burden the 300% increase in the price of fuel is, now all of a sudden its the Taxes? Come on, get real. $2 billion out of $20 billion in Revenue, even if that figure was coming out of what the passengers are willing to pay, thus from the carrier, thats only 10%, who is being taxed to death here?

To all my coworkers out there, lets say the government cut the Airlines taxes (then raised our taxes to make up for the shortfall) do you think the company would share it with us?

 

[Overspeed]

They'd raised fares, taking advantage of not collecting federal taxes, dummy. The airlines did nothing but take advantage of customers and set pricing to where it was.

No they did not raise fares to take advantage to consumers. The airlines continued to collect the taxes but did not forward them to the government due to congressional gridlock. The fares were already up. Now they are ratcheting them down due to soft bookings.

God, you will go to any length to make you sound like you know what you are talking about.

 

[Buck]

No they did not raise fares to take advantage to consumers. The airlines continued to collect the taxes but did not forward them to the government due to congressional gridlock. The fares were already up. Now they are ratcheting them down due to soft bookings.

God, you will go to any length to make you sound like you know what you are talking about.

Air Fares and Taxes