TWU negotiations.........what?

[Frank Szabo]

I guess is's a good sign they're taking all four days? It might be a little different this time, with Owens and Pike, and the threat of losing the company union.

My guess is an eventual agreement that addresses (not covers) our wants, wishes, and concerns then, after a reasonable wait, a bankruptcy filing to get it all back plus some in order to remain "competitive" while lavishing the executives with unearned million$.

We've seen the playbook from 2001 to 2003 and with a bit of artistic maneuvering and adaptation of the principal facts, I feel we're going to see a re-run take place about a year after any contract is bought and the TWU once again secures its footing by convincing the rabble their jobs exist because of the company union.

The office types are going to have to start managing their business telling the TWU to go to hell rather than leaving it to their pet union to determine staffing requirements by the amount of dues money they need to collect.

 

[odie01]

My guess is an eventual agreement that addresses (not covers) our wants, wishes, and concerns then, after a reasonable wait, a bankruptcy filing to get it all back plus some in order to remain "competitive" while lavishing the executives with unearned million$.

We've seen the playbook from 2001 to 2003 and with a bit of artistic maneuvering and adaptation of the principal facts, I feel we're going to see a re-run take place about a year after any contract is bought and the TWU once again secures its footing by convincing the rabble their jobs exist because of the company union.

The office types are going to have to start managing their business telling the TWU to go to hell rather than leaving it to their pet union to determine staffing requirements by the amount of dues money they need to collect.

That sounds about right! I guess I picked the wrong day to stop sniffing glue?

 

[odie01]

TWU Mechanic & Related Contract Mediation Update 12/14/10-12/17/10


The Mechanic and Related Negotiating Committee represents Aviation Maintenance Technicians, Overhaul Support Mechanics, Aircraft Cleaners, Parts Washers in Title I, also Plant Maintenance Mechanics, Plant Maintenance Man, Utility Man, Building Cleaners, Cabin Cleaners in Title II


Negotiaate.twu.org 1-888-4TWUUpdate 1-888-489-8873


The TWU Maintenance and Related (M&R) Negotiating Committee reconvened in Hurst, Texas December 14-17, 2010.
On Monday, December 13th, the M&R Negotiating Committee met late in the afternoon to finalize contract Articles in preparation for the scheduled meeting with the mediator and Company representatives the following day.


On Tuesday morning (December 14, 2010) the M&R Negotiating Committee Co-Chairs, Larry Pike (President TWU Local 567) and Don Videtich (ATD Representative), along with Attorney Mark Richard, met with the NMB Mediators Jack Kane and Walter Darr, to discuss the logistics for this session. Based on the outcome of those discussions, the M&R Negotiating Committee met to make final selection of Articles to be presented to the Company the following day. This was based on the guidelines given by the Mediator to the Committee to focus on getting all the non-compensatory Articles resolved. The committee Co-Chairs then met with the Company to discuss Articles from the failed Tentative Agreement that could remain ‘tentatively agreed to.’


The Articles that would remain tentatively agreed to were:


Article 9- Probationary Period
Article 10- Seniority
Article 13- Seniority Lists
Article 18- Military Leave
Article 19- Termination of Employment
Article 20- Bulletin Boards
Article 22- Regular and Relief Assignments
Article 23- Attendance at Hearings, Investigations or Training Classes
Article 24- Absence from Duty
Article 25- Recall and Call in Work
Article 26- Field Trips
Article 29- Representation
Article 32- Boards of Adjustment
Article 33- No Strike – No Lock Out
Article 35- Temporary Employees
Article 37- Severance
Article 38- Union Security
Article 43- Part Time Employees
Article 44- Moving Expenses
Article 45- Effect on Prior Agreements


Later that same afternoon (December 14, 2010), the M&R Negotiating Committee met with Jack Kane and Company representatives. The committee gave a power point presentation explaining the specific reasons why our members overwhelmingly rejected the Tentative Agreement (TA). The parties were then excused by the mediator to reconvene the next morning.


On Wednesday morning (December 15, 2010), the TWU M&R Committee met with both Mediators and Company Representatives to propose changes to the following Articles:


Article 2- Definitions
Article 16- Recall
Article 17- Leaves of Absence
Article 46- One Station Complex Agreements


The Company agreed to changes in Articles 2 and 46. After some discussion and changes in the language, the Company agreed to Articles 16 and 17.
Thursday, December 16, 2010 started with a meeting with the NMB Mediator Jack Kane, followed by prepping Articles 14, 27, 28, 30 and 31 to pass to the Company. After discussion with the Committee, Mediator Jack Kane and Company Representatives, the Company agreed to the changes made to the following Articles:


Article 14-Loss of Seniority
Article 27-General
Article 28-No Discrimination, and Recognition of Rights and Compliance
Article 30-Grievance Procedure for Dismissal/Corrective Action
Article 31-Grievance Procedure for Contractual Violations


Following the meeting with the Company, the Committee began final preparation to pass Article 12 to the Company.
Friday morning, December 17, the Co-Chairmen of the Negotiating Committee met with NMB Mediator Jack Kane to tentatively set the next time the TWU and Company negotiating teams will meet. After that discussion, the Committee decided to meet as TWU only on January 4-5, 2011 in Dallas to prepare the next set of Articles to be passed to the Company.


The next mediation session for the M&R Negotiating Committee towith the NMB Mediator Jack Kane and the Company is January 10-14, 2011 in Hurst, Texas.


The M&R Negotiating Committee appreciates your patience and support as we work toward an agreement. We would also like to wish you and your families a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.

 

[odie01]

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TWU Mechanic & Related Contract Mediation Update 12/14/10-12/17/10


The Mechanic and Related Negotiating Committee represents Aviation Maintenance Technicians, Overhaul Support Mechanics, Aircraft Cleaners, Parts Washers in Title I, also Plant Maintenance Mechanics, Plant Maintenance Man, Utility Man, Building Cleaners, Cabin Cleaners in Title II


Negotiaate.twu.org 1-888-4TWUUpdate 1-888-489-8873


The TWU Maintenance and Related (M&R) Negotiating Committee reconvened in Hurst, Texas December 14-17, 2010.
On Monday, December 13th, the M&R Negotiating Committee met late in the afternoon to finalize contract Articles in preparation for the scheduled meeting with the mediator and Company representatives the following day.


On Tuesday morning (December 14, 2010) the M&R Negotiating Committee Co-Chairs, Larry Pike (President TWU Local 567) and Don Videtich (ATD Representative), along with Attorney Mark Richard, met with the NMB Mediators Jack Kane and Walter Darr, to discuss the logistics for this session. Based on the outcome of those discussions, the M&R Negotiating Committee met to make final selection of Articles to be presented to the Company the following day. This was based on the guidelines given by the Mediator to the Committee to focus on getting all the non-compensatory Articles resolved. The committee Co-Chairs then met with the Company to discuss Articles from the failed Tentative Agreement that could remain ‘tentatively agreed to.’


The Articles that would remain tentatively agreed to were:


Article 9- Probationary Period
Article 10- Seniority
Article 13- Seniority Lists
Article 18- Military Leave
Article 19- Termination of Employment
Article 20- Bulletin Boards
Article 22- Regular and Relief Assignments
Article 23- Attendance at Hearings, Investigations or Training Classes
Article 24- Absence from Duty
Article 25- Recall and Call in Work
Article 26- Field Trips
Article 29- Representation
Article 32- Boards of Adjustment
Article 33- No Strike – No Lock Out
Article 35- Temporary Employees
Article 37- Severance
Article 38- Union Security
Article 43- Part Time Employees
Article 44- Moving Expenses
Article 45- Effect on Prior Agreements


Later that same afternoon (December 14, 2010), the M&R Negotiating Committee met with Jack Kane and Company representatives. The committee gave a power point presentation explaining the specific reasons why our members overwhelmingly rejected the Tentative Agreement (TA). The parties were then excused by the mediator to reconvene the next morning.


On Wednesday morning (December 15, 2010), the TWU M&R Committee met with both Mediators and Company Representatives to propose changes to the following Articles:


Article 2- Definitions
Article 16- Recall
Article 17- Leaves of Absence
Article 46- One Station Complex Agreements


The Company agreed to changes in Articles 2 and 46. After some discussion and changes in the language, the Company agreed to Articles 16 and 17.
Thursday, December 16, 2010 started with a meeting with the NMB Mediator Jack Kane, followed by prepping Articles 14, 27, 28, 30 and 31 to pass to the Company. After discussion with the Committee, Mediator Jack Kane and Company Representatives, the Company agreed to the changes made to the following Articles:


Article 14-Loss of Seniority
Article 27-General
Article 28-No Discrimination, and Recognition of Rights and Compliance
Article 30-Grievance Procedure for Dismissal/Corrective Action
Article 31-Grievance Procedure for Contractual Violations


Following the meeting with the Company, the Committee began final preparation to pass Article 12 to the Company.
Friday morning, December 17, the Co-Chairmen of the Negotiating Committee met with NMB Mediator Jack Kane to tentatively set the next time the TWU and Company negotiating teams will meet. After that discussion, the Committee decided to meet as TWU only on January 4-5, 2011 in Dallas to prepare the next set of Articles to be passed to the Company.


The next mediation session for the M&R Negotiating Committee towith the NMB Mediator Jack Kane and the Company is January 10-14, 2011 in Hurst, Texas.


The M&R Negotiating Committee appreciates your patience and support as we work toward an agreement. We would also like to wish you and your families a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.

 

[TWU informer]

What the "F"

The whole last day was spent setting the time for the next meeting with the mediator?

That is 25% of the schedule negotiations spent without company even present and discussing when to meet again?

Did the company get up and walk out when BOB brought out his payrate demand?

I mean why not stay and work the last scheduled day on getting an agreement?

SOMEONE IS NOT BEING HONEST WITH ALL THE INFORMATION HERE

 

[AANOTOK]

What the "F"

The wholel;ast day was spent setting the time for the next meeting with the mediator?

That is 25% of the schedule negotiations spent without company even present.

Did the company get up and walk out when BOB brought out his payrate demand?

I mean why not stay and work the last scheduled day on getting an agreement?

SOMEONE IS NOT BEING HONEST WITH ALL THE INFORMATION HERE

As Bob and Hopeful noted informer, this was just one session. Just a few more of these week long, every other month sessions and bingo,
you have a done deal in another year or so.

 

[eolesen]

Dave, look at the articles they agreed to. It's almost all of the non-compensation articles, which apparently was the goal for this week's sessions.

Did you really expect them to finish all the compensation articles today? Or is it better to simply start out the next session on that stuff?

 

[787nightmare]

Yeah, well, let Rolls be pissed. And while you're at it, ask them how happy Qantas are with choosing the Trent 900 for the A380... By sheer dumb luck, AA may have made the right call on the 787. I know that there's not a lot in common between the 900 and 1000 other than the core, but both have had uncontained failures in the past four months, and Rolls has not done the best job of staying in front of the problems.

QF has already started the legal process of getting Rolls head on the proverbial platter. With new thrust limits issued by RR last week, QF can put a whopping 80 passengers on an A380 from LAX to SYD, instead of 400+.

The commercial implications of that are huge, and there's no question the engine isn't meeting its guarantees of 2000 cycles on the wing. Assuming QF prevails in court, Rolls as we know it today may not survive.

Thus far in flight test...I can tell you, the GE is the better of the two engines for the 787. Cleaner design, easier to work on, more trouble-free operation.

 

[paul1]

like E said

only articles 1 3 4 5 6 7 8 11 12 15 21 34 36 39 40 41 42 left open take a look at them

:blink: :unsure:

 

[Frank Szabo]

View attachment 8890

We have a 1 gallon container of Vaseline in the shop we use for mold release while making plaster forms as guides to make doublers and such - one of our more astute shop residents relabeled it as "Contract Cream".

 

[odie01]

We have a 1 gallon container of Vaseline in the shop we use for mold release while making plaster forms as guides to make doublers and such - one of our more astute shop residents relabeled it as "Contract Cream".

For all you pessimists....


The chances twu getting our 2001 contract, with COLA and RETRO, are 1 in 1,000.000.

So your saying "Their is a chance!"

 

[jetmechjer]

AA Delay is an AA delay!!! :angry: :huh: :huh:

 

[High Speed Steel]

It looks like the committee has secured 29 TA'd articles. Basically placing us at the point where we were in May 2010 when they had their super session that produced the last TA. I did compare the changes they achieved in some of the articles 28, 30, 31 and found them to be positive for the membership....

 

[odie01]

It looks like the committee has secured 29 TA'd articles. Basically placing us at the point where we were in May 2010 when they had their super session that produced the last TA. I did compare the changes they achieved in some of the articles 28, 30, 31 and found them to be positive for the membership....

Can you elaborate on the changes in articles 28, 30, and 31. Also, where can I find that info?
Article 28-No Discrimination, and Recognition of Rights and Compliance
Article 30-Grievance Procedure for Dismissal/Corrective Action
Article 31-Grievance Procedure for Contractual Violations

Is it posted on the twu website on how articles 28, 30, and 31, have changed for the benefit of the membership? LINK PLEASE

 

[High Speed Steel]

Can you elaborate on the changes in articles 28, 30, and 31. Also, where can I find that info?
Article 28-No Discrimination, and Recognition of Rights and Compliance
Article 30-Grievance Procedure for Dismissal/Corrective Action
Article 31-Grievance Procedure for Contractual Violations

You can start here odie....http://airlineforums.com/topic/35870-twu-negotiationswhat/page__view__findpost__p__774705