TWU negotiations.........what?

[TWU informer]

One could also say that the company was simply returning the favor from giving you guys a good contract in 2001.

Seriously, what did you "give up" in 2001 or the previous contract?

I remember people claiming 2001 was a great contract, thanks to the "threat" of AMFA.

The 1997 contract (?) would have been when AMR was making record profits. What did you "give up" then, other than allowing the SRP/OSM classifications?

We've all heard about how far you fell in 2003, but I don't recall a whole lot of discussion on how far the 2003 cuts compared to where you were in 2000 or 1996.

E,

There was NO 1997 Contract. There was a 1995 Contract that was 6 years in length offered a total of 6.5% in pay raises over the life of the 6 years. that was the beginning of the SRP/OSM classification which you seem to dismiss and not really giving up. This allowed 25% of the Overhaul Bases to become unskilled cheap labor. This equated to many high seniority older employees to be moved out into the hangar. in my opinion this cost the union and the company even more. The number of Workers Comp Claims rose and now continues to rise at staggering rates due to old workers crawling around in cargo spaces, on the floor of cabin and cockpits. Not to mention many of those unskilled SRP's were relatives promoted to management, and that I believe you and I both agree is lacking horribly in ability. In my opinion, A "give back" is not always measured in pay and benefits.

Most of us made more money in the late 90's due to overtime. Since 2000, my reportable gross income has never topped what I made in the late 90's. Some of that pay was from IdeAAs in Action submitted to save money, some was from overtime, some was from base/skill pay. Not only did they strip the payrates of 17.5% because the union wanted to keep every swinging slong on the payroll, overtime was cutoff for over 7 years also. And IdeAAs payment was eliminated.

When I get my Social Security Statement from the Fed's the real picture comes clear to me that we have gone backwards just in simple math of pay. Add to that 10 year of inflation and other losses mentioned and you have a terrible mix of loss of buying power in the economy.

I am no longer a big chest pounder about saving the profession, I just want to save my own retirement and lifestyle. But please don't express false views that we have not given up more than can be calcuated on the surface. Problem is, with the mangement we have now, I think we could for $10 per hour No benefits, and we would still fail as far as overhaul maintenance goes. So on one hand I want to fight, on the other hand it appears best to salvage what I can before its over anyway.

 

[odie01]

One thing I've noticed lately with your posts Informer, you seem to use the words, "I" and "fail" more than you use to.

 

[TWU informer]

One thing I've noticed lately with your posts Informer, you seem to use the words, "I" and "fail" more than you use to.

Working and depending on Dips like you seem to bring that out in a guy. My apologies.

One thing I have noticed is that you are incapable of holding intelligent conversation so you tend to make one sentence observations that lend nothing to the debate of ANY issue.

Unlike yourself, "I" do not feel qualilfied to speak on behalf of others. So yes "I" usually speak about "I". And if you don't feel like we are failing then why do you always appear to be frailing around like a dying fish when you speak? Why do you sign and support AMP if you do not think we are failing?

 

[odie01]

Working and depending on Dips like you seem to bring that out in a guy. My apologies.

One thing I have noticed is that you are incapable of holding intelligent conversation so you tend to make one sentence observations that lend nothing to the debate of ANY issue.

Unlike yourself, "I" do not feel qualilfied to speak on behalf of others. So yes "I" usually speak about "I". And if you don't feel like we are failing then why do you always appear to be frailing around like a dying fish when you speak? Why do you sign and support AMP if you do not think we are failing?

Oh, I am quite capable of having an intelligent conversation with people who have some sort of direction. You see, we both know the twu is f*cked up, thing is though, I am physically doing something about it. You, on the other hand, sit at your computer night after night, slice of pizza in one hand, dictionary in the other, complaining instead of acting. Your smart, know your twu history, use five dollar words,( that some of us knucklebusters have to look up in our Wobster's), but after you post your three paragraphs of RANT, (that can be sumerized in two sentences), you my friend are ball less. Pick a direction and you can have intelligent conversations with more than just a couple people on this forum.

 

[odie01]

E,

There was NO 1997 Contract. There was a 1995 Contract that was 6 years in length offered a total of 6.5% in pay raises over the life of the 6 years. that was the beginning of the SRP/OSM classification which you seem to dismiss and not really giving up. This allowed 25% of the Overhaul Bases to become unskilled cheap labor. This equated to many high seniority older employees to be moved out into the hangar. in my opinion this cost the union and the company even more. The number of Workers Comp Claims rose and now continues to rise at staggering rates due to old workers crawling around in cargo spaces, on the floor of cabin and cockpits. Not to mention many of those unskilled SRP's were relatives promoted to management, and that I believe you and I both agree is lacking horribly in ability. In my opinion, A "give back" is not always measured in pay and benefits.

Most of us made more money in the late 90's due to overtime. Since 2000, my reportable gross income has never topped what I made in the late 90's. Some of that pay was from IdeAAs in Action submitted to save money, some was from overtime, some was from base/skill pay. Not only did they strip the payrates of 17.5% because the union wanted to keep every swinging slong on the payroll, overtime was cutoff for over 7 years also. And IdeAAs payment was eliminated.

When I get my Social Security Statement from the Fed's the real picture comes clear to me that we have gone backwards just in simple math of pay. Add to that 10 year of inflation and other losses mentioned and you have a terrible mix of loss of buying power in the economy.

I am no longer a big chest pounder about saving the profession, I just want to save my own retirement and lifestyle. But please don't express false views that we have not given up more than can be calcuated on the surface. Problem is, with the mangement we have now, I think we could for $10 per hour No benefits, and we would still fail as far as overhaul maintenance goes. So on one hand I want to fight, on the other hand it appears best to salvage what I can before its over anyway.

That's right, the last sentence of the above post sums up your fish like point of view.

 

[Hackman]

Oh, I am quite capable of having an intelligent conversation with people who have some sort of direction. You see, we both know the twu is f*cked up, thing is though, I am physically doing something about it. You, on the other hand, sit at your computer night after night, slice of pizza in one hand, dictionary in the other, complaining instead of acting. Your smart, know your twu history, use five dollar words,( that some of us knucklebusters have to look up in our Wobster's), but after you post your three paragraphs of RANT, (that can be sumerized in two sentences), you my friend are ball less. Pick a direction and you can have intelligent conversations with more than just a couple people on this forum.

Odie, don't worry too much about the "Waffle Boy" or "Flipper". When it comes down to the throw down, meaning action to be taken, he will fold like a $10 card table. It's been witnessed too many times in the past during the AMFA drive, nothing has changed. If he was the player he thinks he is, we would have had more than 2200 cards out of Tulsa. Your talking to a scared and frightened TWu concessionary YES voter who cares nothing but about himself, and actually still supports the TWu sellouts underneath the blow hard facade. Hell, back in the day he was accosted by a certain Crew Chief in the seat shop, what did he do? Not much, but whimper and cry a lot.

He screams and whines about the TWu 514 and how the "Working Together" union busting process is being handled at the 514 Mess Hall. About all he will do about it is cry tears in his beers, (I forgot, he doesn't drink, except with TWu officers) with a few posts of 514 TWu letters of woe he on the internet.

So if your looking for something other than a "Waffle Boy" with "Ovaries of Jelly", you might as well call off the search.

 

[TWU informer]

Hackman, think about your facts.

It was Wes Nightingale the was accosted by the Crew Chief in the Seat Shop, not me. Cannot remember that Crew Chiefs name but I think he was nick named "The Strangler". But your age is causing memory fault...that wasn't me.

But you are right about one thing, helping "strong union men" like yourself get cards out of Tulsa is NOT on my agenda.

Give us a specific example of when I folded during the AMFA drive. Because I have a much different memory of those times.
I would love to hear your specifics.

Have you ever considered taking a few more steroids and beating signatures on cards out of pussies to get your way?
You may as well, your skills as an orgainzer turn 100 away for every 1 you get. Maybe you can give us a lesson in the strategy of attacking and brow beatiing every potential supporter that comes your way? Because you stick with your already signed allies like glue, and then alienate those you need to get signed on a regular basis. We had a few organizers like you during the AMFA Drive. One of the ignorant fools solely responsible for dropping by the Machinist area and proclaiming how each of them were screwed when AMFA came to the property. I never understood this as a legitimate attempt to succeed. You seem to have the same skills. Can you help me understand how that is working for ya?

 

[odie01]

This can't be good...........
I just received a Fruit Cake from the twu international, with a card that says," Merry Christmas, we'll get em' next year." Came early this year, weird?

 

[TWU informer]

Hackman,

Got your fact check and any specifics yet?

I'm still interested

 

[odie01]

Hackman,

Got your fact check and any specifics yet?

I'm still interested

 

[odie01]

"Happy Holidays, Suckers"

 

[TWU informer]

Someimtes, I wonder what makes many in this industry think they are worthy of being called "professionals".

It may actually be kin to respect. You cannot DEMAND it, instead you must EARN it.

 

[odie01]

Someimtes, I wonder what makes many in this industry think they are worthy of being called "professionals".

It may actually be kin to respect. You cannot DEMAND it, instead you must EARN it.

Pick a direction and EGGO that way!!! Waffleboy!

 

[TWU informer]

Pick a direction and EGGO that way!!! Waffleboy!

I have a direction, and you once again make my point crystal clear. Your idea of professionalism is to resort to this... Name Calling and Slogans. Now run down to managements office demand to be treated like and professional and with respect.

 

[odie01]

I have a direction, and you once again make my point crystal clear. Your idea of professionalism is to resort to this... Name Calling and Slogans. Now run down to managements office demand to be treated like and professional and with respect.

I just did, the door was locked, and TWU Informer was giving my manager, "the heads up" on our negotiations.