s80 wrenchhead
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TWU negotiations.........what?
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s80 wrenchhead
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dont move too fast TWU! Same thing as before. Was hoping for some change.
TWU informer
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They are trying to figure out a strategy. AA has now called their bluff, and if TWU folds like a cheap tent as usual within days AMP will be collecting dues.
Can't Fold, Can't Raise, Can't Check...
What fools got themselves backed into this corner?
Just Sayin....
Can't Fold, Can't Raise, Can't Check...
What fools got themselves backed into this corner?
Just Sayin....
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Mr.Red surely you jest. #2 really? That pos t/a would have only a very small percentage of AMT at #2.
Mr Red
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Sounds like they might like AMP !!!
787nightmare
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EXACTLY.
The TWU will not strike. They know and American negotiators know, the TWU in TULE will be busted by the multitude of job starved mechanics all over Oklahoma, Arkansas and N Texas. That's why AA holds the cards in this deal. Period. Like you stated, and me previously, the TWU will "rearrange the furniture" and eventually find a way to sell the bag of(crappy)goods to the TULE mechs. Presto, done deal and the mechs elsewhere in AA get porked for another 4 yrs.
Frank Szabo
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Hmmmm ...
Sounds like someone was attempting to create drama again and get the hand-wringers doing what they do best.
I find it rather amusing how poorly the membership was read - "DAMMIT - this isn't the same group of sheeple we've had for the last 30 years - what do we do now?"
"Which way did he go, George - Which way did he go?" Get a visual - two monkeys attempting to screw the same football ...
A classic cluster at it's finest.
toroshark
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I wonder why TWU did not take the statements made to the papers by Brundage and immediately send them and the results from the failed T/A to the mediator with a request for an impasse. This BS of meeting for a couple of days a month to plan a strategy is totally inept.It should be quite obvious to all that we are going nowhere with the company during this phase of the process. TWU should keep trying to get it to the next phase. Maybe with a 30 day countdown AA will actually agree to a non-concessionary contract. If not then let the chips fall where they may.
eolesen
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Because sometimes even the TWU isn't that stupid.
No mediator is going to declare an impasse as long as it's apparent that the membership can't agree on which way is north, let alone try and figure out what the membership will accept for a contract settlement. Good faith works both ways, and so far, the company has shown the most consistency in their positions. The union hasn't.
Like it or not, the NO vote ensured you guys would be sent into a holding pattern while the NMB moves onto a group who does have some unity and credibility in representing their members interests at the bargaining table.
High Speed Steel
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I have to agree with your post and have been thinking and or saying something similar to this for some time now....
I've said a No vote would confirm.... Who's your daddy now!
Mr Red
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If a holding pattern is what is in store for us, then so be it. It still beats the hell out of the concessionary contract that was trying to be passed off. I also disagree with your view that it would be stupid for the TWU to ask for an impasse. If the T/A was voted down by the vast majority that it was and AA is insisting that it still wants the concessions than is not that the very definition of a stalemate? Like it or not the TWU had us vote on AA's POS offer and the people said "NO".
TIME FOR CHANGE
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Brundage tells the media thats as good as its going to get and we reject it. Sounds like rocket science to me. Exactly what has to happen before an impass occurs... job action? 
The retro alone should be a strike issue
The retro alone should be a strike issue
Frank Szabo
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All this "NO" vote confirmed was the TWU had their collective head up their arse (as usual) re: what the membership was thinking (and how much good the "flyer" stuffed in the envelope would do), setting off a mad scramble to regain some semblance of credibility with the mediator.
Cool - so Fat Don has a cohort now - no doubt equally as clueless. Two individuals (instead of one) given the same orders by Little Jimmy does not constitute new leadership nor a different direction.
"Who's your daddy" indeed - is that how they speak in your part of town?
eolesen
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You're free to disagree with me, but I'm guessing you have no idea what constitutes an impasse.
The fact that membership hated the offer is irrelevant.
The fact remains that there were productive negotiations and both sides moved to create the TA you voted on.
Had one side or the other dug their heels and stalled the rest of the process, you'd have a chance of an impasse being declared.
But both sides moved. That means there's still opportunity for consensual progress.
