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Nicely put!
TWU negotiations.........what?
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Chuck Schalk
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Without conflict there is no change
If the members remain silent about the T/A, our future, and towards anyone not helping us to achieve our goals then there is little to no chance of us getting to where we desire to be. We must recognize that there will be sacrifices on our part to make them all listen. Time and money is what is the pulse of our liives and is exactly what we use as leverage when we sacrifice. when we sacrifice then so will everyone else involved until we are taken seriously that we want a T/A we can live with.
We are at time in our careers that we are by the majority seasoned veterans and have been through enough negotiations to understand the sham of it all. YouWe must decide from this point on;
are you part of the solution or part of the problem?
running down the middle of this question is just as bad as presidents abstaining rather than vote!
Make up your mind which side of the line you are on.
just my thoughts
If the members remain silent about the T/A, our future, and towards anyone not helping us to achieve our goals then there is little to no chance of us getting to where we desire to be. We must recognize that there will be sacrifices on our part to make them all listen. Time and money is what is the pulse of our liives and is exactly what we use as leverage when we sacrifice. when we sacrifice then so will everyone else involved until we are taken seriously that we want a T/A we can live with.
We are at time in our careers that we are by the majority seasoned veterans and have been through enough negotiations to understand the sham of it all. YouWe must decide from this point on;
are you part of the solution or part of the problem?
running down the middle of this question is just as bad as presidents abstaining rather than vote!
Make up your mind which side of the line you are on.
just my thoughts
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Out of Control Bitching has now stopped. Time for the Final Language and the Vote.
Time to show results that indicate the T/A narrowly passed as we once again predict the Method of Operation from the TWU Concession Bus.
Time to show results that indicate the T/A narrowly passed as we once again predict the Method of Operation from the TWU Concession Bus.
OSM's ON THE FLOOR A PERMANANT B-scale . AMT's will dwindle till they are gone. Can we see that language for the old Delta hanger at DFW why do you think it is not there, they know if it is in there it is 99% no vote out of DFW. OSM's at DFW will be approved by a letter of agreement after POS passes. Just kidding TWU and AA would never do that......?
I agree, if this passes the company would get OSMs or maybe even create a new title, LSM (line support mechanics) through a LOA.
Look at the language for an SMA, its the same as an AMT with the exception that they cant run or work on engines, otherwise they can do whatever an AMT does, but at a lot less pay. It was sold to the committee as structures only, removing panels etc, but clearly thats not what the language we were finally shown says.
Lets say a base has 1000 Title I mechanics, the OSM language allows them to have up to 25% of Title I, that leaves 750 on the docks, well they can have 20% of the docks SMA, thats around 140, so 390 or 39% of the bases could be people at the OSM base rate.
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I agree with what you guys are saying here but isn't it true that if an OSM with a license works the hangar or the line for lower pay and AA can still hire those with an A&P then that is what the profession is worth these days?
My point is that the profession is only worth what those that can do it are willing to hire in and work for in pay. Not what the experienced AMT wants to make it worth.
I bet in 1983 there were experienced AMT's argueing that the "B" Scale would destroy the profession. Yet we all hired in at that payrate, and now we argue the same philosophy.
A profession is only worth the lowest pay someone is willing do to the job for, not what we with the experience and seniority want it to be worth.
My point is that the profession is only worth what those that can do it are willing to hire in and work for in pay. Not what the experienced AMT wants to make it worth.
I bet in 1983 there were experienced AMT's argueing that the "B" Scale would destroy the profession. Yet we all hired in at that payrate, and now we argue the same philosophy.
A profession is only worth the lowest pay someone is willing do to the job for, not what we with the experience and seniority want it to be worth.
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This is only part of the big picture. The company's plan is to get this language NOW, and THEN offer a "early out" retirement package and hire as many ASM's as possible.
Then, before you know it, the ASM's will be the majority and what do you think future contracts will contain?
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You don't accept majority rule unionism?
Yes offer an early out with NO PREFUNDING available. Who can afford to go out early if your medical premiums will cost you half of your monthly income?? This is why we must vote NO!! Any chance on affordable early retirement hinges on keeping our PREFUNDING inrtact.
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Of course I do, but in this case, the fate of the AMT will be sealed in doom.
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No the fate of the AMT was sealed in doom when 1000+ A&P Licensed Scabs crossed the picket line at NWA.
What are we going to fight with when we vote no? Face it...If there are A&P Licensed AMT's that will cross a picket line and bust the only union trying to slavage what was left of the profession, then why on earth do you think we are going to fair any better? Your profession was killed, and the truth was exposed when those SCABS showed up at NWA's doorstep to work.
I am all for a no vote and a fight if anyone can show me a plan to succeed, but all I read on here is emotional based gloom and doom and not a soul with a plan on how to overcome the fact that the profession is laced with SCABS willing to take your job. And now we fear the majority of future AMT's will shaft us in other ways than being a scab. GAME OVER
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Agreed. :angry:
Hopeful
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exactly....but this time it will be GAME OVER for ALL our pensions and ALL our prefunding!
The new majority ASM who will have neither a pension or prefunding medical will in the future vote to give these two benefits away from those who have it because they themselves do not!
The company has played a MaSterful divide and conquer game, but the problem is they have no adversary! The TWU is on the company's side.
The International reps from Little on down to Conley, Videtich and Gless could care less because THEIR compensation and benefits are unaffected. No pain for Gless, Videtich, Conley and Little with their SIX FIGURE INCOMES!
It saddens me, but I can see why the compAAny would lean (negotiate) toward a tiered AMT classification. When I entered AO in the early 90's there was a very small percentage of mechanics that were slugs. Due to peer pressure they were productive, just not up to an average standard. The crews could absorb these sub-standard mechanics and still produce a quality a/c 100% on schedule. I hate to say it, but, there are to many slugs to absorb today. Now in desperation the compAAny, inept at managing, must hire RLG type consulting firms to teach "communication skill's" to its workforce in hopes of increasing productivity. I sickens me to see a young consulting pup oversee a seasoned crewchief hand out job assignments to his crew and then offer suggestions on how to better communicate. So I can see why, though misguided, the compAAny has capitulated. It it powerless to increase productivity so it must cut wages, in whatever form, to compensate.
