TWU-IAM Association thread

[2ndGENAMT]

I was referring to the rumors about leadership saying not to expect much gains in new contract. I think the association will take a couple months to get itself organized, after they shutdown 591 (just a guess)

They are not rumors! The first thing out of the 514 Chairman of Maintenances mouth is the maintenance to aircraft ratio in relation to Southwest!

 

[Buck]

They are not rumors! The first thing out of the 514 Chairman of Maintenance mouth is the maintenance to aircraft ratio in relation to Southwest!

Does that mean pay in relation to Southwest?

 

[2ndGENAMT]

Does that mean pay in relation to Southwest?

I believe his point was we have more maintenance personnel per aircraft than any airline so don't expect very much from a JCBA!

 

[AANOTOK]

I believe his point was we have more maintenance personnel per aircraft than any airline so don't expect very much from a JCBA!

Delta plus 7

 

[Buster CRC]

After 30+ years of concessionary contracts the TWU just expects to give up more.......heres an idea for once get the gains and keep the jobs!! The Company just made 1.2 BILLION (THATS BILLION WITH A B. )dollars in a quarter.

 

[Hackman]

It really is sad that you poor folks have so many morons amongst your ranks. Kinda sounds like the fools we are starting to get in the F/A ranks. So many years of crappy representation and the minority keeps getting screwed and their voices shut out. I for one feel bad for you guys/gals.

IORFA, you got that right on the mark. I don't know if you would know in 1978 when the APFA was formed an the TWu was dumped, as I'm kinda sure you were not an F/A then.  Did you have these TWu International (Team TWu) appointed Non F/A/Non Craft and Class antagonists ("Useful TWu Idiots") such as rampers, stock clerks, and the like to bash, ridicule, debase, generally attempt to infiltrate the AA F/A legal decision to remove the TWu parasite?  
 
I know the internet wasn't invented by Al Gore yet back then, but any protests or dirty deeds by paid TWu "Useful Idiots"?  Those of us not TWu Blind, on the TWu dole or not in the Tulsa "Sheeple" herd, we have been dealing with the clowns for some time. They just can't stay out of our right to decide.  They have no business in it, but still they persist.
 
Just curious if you have any history of the AA F/As successful shedding of the worthless TWu Company Union for the APFA.
 
Thank you.

 

[bigjets]

They are not rumors! The first thing out of the 514 Chairman of Maintenances mouth is the maintenance to aircraft ratio in relation to Southwest!

Sounds like less OH,

Doug said delta plus 7, and Isom said 100% line and 50% OH scope.
Sounds good for the majority

 

[chilokie1]

Sounds like less OH,

Doug said delta plus 7, and Isom said 100% line and 50% OH scope.
Sounds good for the majority

What is the percentage of line & OH at LUS today?

 

[MetalMover]

For the record if the association gets us a killer contract, meaning great pay 7% above delta and other contract items sick, Vc, etc etc
For the record, the company leadership has already stated Delta + 7%.. They are on the record for saying this....The association has nothing to do with Delta + 7%.. You can't thank the TWU/IAM for that one.

I WILL be an association supporter. The past 12 years have been tough times for airline employees and unions, but NOW is the time to deliver. We have no other choice but to hope the association works in our favor. AMFA obviously not working too hard to organize us, the IBT and TWU have some sort of deal going. We are out of options we need for this to work.
 
There ya go......"HOPE THE ASSOCIATION WORKS IN OUR FAVOR!"  What happens when they don't deliver? What happens when we have to give give back something else in return for that Delta + 7%?  What then?

 

[1AA]

They are not rumors! The first thing out of the 514 Chairman of Maintenances mouth is the maintenance to aircraft ratio in relation to Southwest!

They also marched around the base telling guys in a very positive and absolute assurance that we will get a ballot and vote on the association. That is one big major lie and distrust of the union has to be worrisome. How can anyone believe anything the union or the international say are anywhere near truthful?

 

[bigjets]

What is the percentage of line & OH at LUS today?

According to a townhall meeting, Isom said that's what the scope clause is at USAir

 

[bigjets]

For the record if the association gets us a killer contract, meaning great pay 7% above delta and other contract items sick, Vc, etc etc
[font=comic sans ms']For the record, the company leadership has already stated Delta + 7%.. They are on the record for saying this....The association has nothing to do with Delta + 7%.. You can't thank the TWU/IAM for that one.[/font]

I WILL be an association supporter. The past 12 years have been tough times for airline employees and unions, but NOW is the time to deliver. We have no other choice but to hope the association works in our favor. AMFA obviously not working too hard to organize us, the IBT and TWU have some sort of deal going. We are out of options we need for this to work.
 
[font=comic sans ms']There ya go......"HOPE THE ASSOCIATION WORKS IN OUR FAVOR!"  What happens when they don't deliver? What happens when we have to give give back something else in return for that Delta + 7%?  What then?[/font]

I'm guessing what we get is the USAir scope of 100% line and 50% OH, and our OH guys move to the line. Seymour already said that the line test would be taken by OH guys after they have had a chance to learn line work.

What then? Who knows, it's not like AMFA really wants us, the IBT is in bed with the TWU, a no union vote will never happen. The TWU outsmarted everyone with AAs help. So we are stuck. Another AMFA drive, who thinks that's going to happen? I guess we all have the option of moving on, rather sitting around whining like little girls. Look around I'm sure there are all sorts of jobs out there willing to give you $40 something an hour.

 

[Buck]

What is Delta +7% and how will they pay for it?
 
These questions remain and opinions have been posted. If mechanics lose jobs over a group gaining raises then it is no different than the TWU pass performance. Give and take, from 1983 B-Scale until today.

 

[AANOTOK]

So Bob Owens, I noticed you have posted on another topic today, yet I see no comment on the Association getting certified by the NMB. I recall you being totally against it (as was I), so have you been told to endorse it and start working on a fantastic contract for your mechanics??
 
Bob, I just changed my signature, from 31 to 32 years. You might want to think about changing yours because unfortunately it's a done deal.

 

[Tim Nelson]

For the record if the association gets us a killer contract, meaning great pay 7% above delta and other contract items sick, Vc, etc etc

I WILL be an association supporter. The past 12 years have been tough times for airline employees and unions, but NOW is the time to deliver. We have no other choice but to hope the association works in our favor. AMFA obviously not working too hard to organize us, the IBT and TWU have some sort of deal going. We are out of options we need for this to work.

 
The AMFA and IBT have not been there for any MX because there is not significant support.  I'm amazed, after about 15 years and no real election, that LAA MX are still holding on to it when the vast majority has never supported it.
 
But, you are right, brother, there is no other choice but to hope the association works in our favor. Now is the time to support the Association. 
 
regards,