TWU-IAM Association thread

[700UW]

Not if you keep the scope language, we had COLA at PI and UA and it didnt pit station against station.

 

[Kev3188]

Right. I agree. We had COLA allowances at NW as well (for ANC & HNL). Do it correctly, and it's win win. Half a$$ it, or incorporate vague language, and the door's wide open.

 

[WeAAsles]

Corporate is located in DFW so that is where I would say the litmus should be for the jumping off point. Don't tie it into the BASE rate but have it as a separate item percentage drawn up from there using CPI data. Again it might not amount to much because if it was dramatic it would be shot down by the members as a whole but at least a modest stipend would go a long way towards both relief and good will among members who have felt neglected without it. 

http://www.bls.gov/cpi/tables.htm

 

[Bob Owens]

Nothing wrong with COLA overrides, but it needs to be done clearly & correctly the first time. Otherwise John John's comment about whipsawing is exactly what can happen...

The company tries to do that anyway. They are always trying to pit one station against another. Thats why we need to do away with the Juniority List. Let them close the stations they want and let those who are affected exercise their seniority to wherever they can hold. With the merger we will have around 30 cities to pick from.
 
When Gless was an International Rep he was against GEO pay because the company was against it and that was the position he was told to take. He claimed that Kennedy would lose work if we had a GEO pay. Lets see, the company pays more for everything , EXCEPT labor (and in reality they already do pay more for Labor in NY due to state taxes etc) but the workers don't see that, but if there is a GEO pay, something that pretty much every other industry that operates across the country, including the Federal Government,  all of a sudden they will remove work.
 
The company wanted to be able to do B-checks in Europe where they pay their workers at least $15/hr more (total package) but a GEO pay would cause the company to abandon NY and LAX.   Why are they willing to pay more in Europe, and bring more work there if wages were the sole determining factor? Because they aren't, especially with Line Maintenance. 

 

[Kev3188]

I'm with you, Bob. I never understood why people tolerated a juniority list. I've mentioned it before, but at NW, you went wherever your seniority could hold.

When I first started, I just assumed it was like that at every carrier. I couldn't believe it when I started hearing otherwise...

 

[700UW]

Bob, thats how PMUS M&R bump, they can go where their seniority can take them.

 

[1AA]

BTW, will we ever get our 14% equity that the twu is holding from us? Will we ever get our prefunding match that the union and company agreed too if AA enters BK? I just want to bring this up because we as a pitiful bunch of union members need to remember that this is a substantial amount of money that the twu is suppose to fight for us. Our union already caused us to lose the 4% raise for not having a jcba. The union was only concerned about the association and it was dragged out for 8 months or so. It's the unions fault that we lost the 4%. A real union would fight to have that 4% retro to the day of implementation. Seems we forgot about those three things that equals to a lot of money. Lately we have been concerned about the new CS policy for A/C maintenance only and the Delta +7. Remember question #5 on the Q&A? That was a lie. What are we paying union dues for? How many more lies are we going to be told? If Pinocchio was the face of the twu, his nose would stretch the length of the Golden Gate Bridge.

 

[WeAAsles]

BTW, will we ever get our 14% equity that the twu is holding from us?

The appeal of the Judges ruling is scheduled to be heard this month. 

Will we ever get our prefunding match that the union and company agreed too if AA enters BK?

The BK still has loose ends and is in Judge Lane's hands. Smart move to let the APFA take it to Arbitration first and see what happens there so we don't get burned if we wind up having to do the same or even sue for the match.

I just want to bring this up because we as a pitiful bunch of union members need to remember that this is a substantial amount of money that the twu is suppose to fight for us. Our union already caused us to lose the 4% raise for not having a jcba.

They did? How? Don't we already have a current enforceable contract that spells out what we are entitled to. How would you have "forced" that money out of AA's pocket?

The union was only concerned about the association and it was dragged out for 8 months or so. It's the unions fault that we lost the 4%.

9 months waiting on the IAM to get a standalone CBA and another 9 months waiting for the NMB to make a ruling. Dragged out? Subjective.

A real union would fight to have that 4% retro to the day of implementation.

Let's hear what you would do there Mr. Online Leader Tough Guy? Tell us how you would win the fight?

Seems we forgot about those three things that equals to a lot of money. Lately we have been concerned about the new CS policy for A/C maintenance only and the Delta +7.

Good things to be concerned about and most people can be concerned about more than one thing you know.

Remember question #5 on the Q&A? That was a lie.

Yea guess it wound up being that way huh. Oops.

What are we paying union dues for?

Go work for a non Union company. Bye Bye.

How many more lies are we going to be told?

By who? I'm sure even the Pope himself has told a few white lies in his lifetime? People lie just like you constantly do too on these forums pages. What you're not old enough yet to figure that out?

If Pinocchio was the face of the twu, his nose would stretch the length of the Golden Gate Bridge.

Pinocchio wouldn't be able to stand up if his nose was that long. Just saying.

 

[bigjets]

The company tries to do that anyway. They are always trying to pit one station against another. Thats why we need to do away with the Juniority List. Let them close the stations they want and let those who are affected exercise their seniority to wherever they can hold. With the merger we will have around 30 cities to pick from.
 
When Gless was an International Rep he was against GEO pay because the company was against it and that was the position he was told to take. He claimed that Kennedy would lose work if we had a GEO pay. Lets see, the company pays more for everything , EXCEPT labor (and in reality they already do pay more for Labor in NY due to state taxes etc) but the workers don't see that, but if there is a GEO pay, something that pretty much every other industry that operates across the country, including the Federal Government,  all of a sudden they will remove work.
 
The company wanted to be able to do B-checks in Europe where they pay their workers at least $15/hr more (total package) but a GEO pay would cause the company to abandon NY and LAX.   Why are they willing to pay more in Europe, and bring more work there if wages were the sole determining factor? Because they aren't, especially with Line Maintenance.

Does anyone know how USAIR/IAM handle layoffs ? If we are able to use our seniority to bump into station that our seniority can hold. DFW would be in trouble, lots of seniority in tul, I'm sure they don't want to move up north.

So will 591 support our current system or the way it should be, seniority rules. NY sure would be junior.

Side note: will the association keep the same local structure or just do away with 591 and make us go back with the FSC locals like we use to?

 

[1AA]

Does anyone know how USAIR/IAM handle layoffs ? If we are able to use our seniority to bump into station that our seniority can hold. DFW would be in trouble, lots of seniority in tul, I'm sure they don't want to move up north.
So will 591 support our current system or the way it should be, seniority rules. NY sure would be junior.
Side note: will the association keep the same local structure or just do away with 591 and make us go back with the FSC locals like we use to?

The many unknown answers to very valid questions the association was too busy to address. They were more concerned about the filing of the association. If history repeats itself the association will make things up as they go along. Very similar to the articles in the T/A's we voted on in the past. > TBD <

 

[1AA]

BTW, will we ever get our 14% equity that the twu is holding from us?The appeal of the Judges ruling is scheduled to be heard this month. 
Will we ever get our prefunding match that the union and company agreed too if AA enters BK?The BK still has loose ends and is in Judge Lane's hands. Smart move to let the APFA take it to Arbitration first and see what happens there so we don't get burned if we wind up having to do the same or even sue for the match. I just want to bring this up because we as a pitiful bunch of union members need to remember that this is a substantial amount of money that the twu is suppose to fight for us. Our union already caused us to lose the 4% raise for not having a jcba.They did? How? Don't we already have a current enforceable contract that spells out what we are entitled to. How would you have "forced" that money out of AA's pocket?
The union was only concerned about the association and it was dragged out for 8 months or so. It's the unions fault that we lost the 4%.9 months waiting on the IAM to get a standalone CBA and another 9 months waiting for the NMB to make a ruling. Dragged out? Subjective.
A real union would fight to have that 4% retro to the day of implementation.Let's hear what you would do there Mr. Online Leader Tough Guy? Tell us how you would win the fight?
Seems we forgot about those three things that equals to a lot of money. Lately we have been concerned about the new CS policy for A/C maintenance only and the Delta +7.Good things to be concerned about and most people can be concerned about more than one thing you know.
Remember question #5 on the Q&A? That was a lie.Yea guess it wound up being that way huh. Oops.
What are we paying union dues for?Go work for a non Union company. Bye Bye.
How many more lies are we going to be told?By who? I'm sure even the Pope himself has told a few white lies in his lifetime? People lie just like you constantly do too on these forums pages. What you're not old enough yet to figure that out?
If Pinocchio was the face of the twu, his nose would stretch the length of the Golden Gate Bridge.Pinocchio wouldn't be able to stand up if his nose was that long. Just saying.

You just proved your a TWU lackey. Tough guy. I thought you put me on ignore? Can't help yourself can you?

 

[WeAAsles]

You just proved your a TWU lackey. Tough guy. I thought you put me on ignore? Can't help yourself can you?

What can I say, I missed you.

So how do you like the fact that people on here are starting to talk about forward moving ideas now?

I bet I can guess how you feel about that.

 

[1AA]

The twu always moves forward with industry leading concessions. B scale, OSM, SRP, AMTO, flex benefits, Junior Mechanic, 1/2 sick pay, elimination of double time pay, 50% reduction of holidays, elimination of holiday pay, 2 tier vacation part of B scale, eliminated week of vacation, .01 & .02 cents shift premium, eliminated night shift retention premium, eliminated longevity pay, cut uniform allowance by 50% and eliminated uniform laundering, eliminated training O/T, eliminated retirement prefunding, eliminated easy hour pay, eliminated 4 hour early call guarantee. That's just in aircraft maintenance. The twu has eliminated building cleaners, cabin service and I'm sure you can think of more forward moving accomplishments the TWU achieved since 1983. I don't think we can afford anymore TWU forward moving ideas and contracts. The TWU a leader in the industry? More leadership like this we can not afford. Can you honestly say we will move forward for the better of the membership instead of the TWU's best interest? I doubt it as far as M&E is concerned. Ramp? That's your angle.

 

[WeAAsles]

Blah blah blah. Always blah blah blah.

Moving forward. Take care. Have a nice day. Don't forget to carry your umbrella since you're always expecting rain.

 

[1AA]

Must have hit a nerve. Truth hurts so best you put me on ignore again. Stick with ramp issues. Your better off. M&E is my concern. Remember one size does not fit all. That's what the TWU believes. Hope you guys over on the ramp side move forward. I'll keep my umbrella close by for when the rain comes. Thank you for your concern.