TWU-IAM Association thread

[WeAAsles]

Must have hit a nerve. Truth hurts so best you put me on ignore again. Stick with ramp issues. Your better off. M&E is my concern. Remember one size does not fit all. That's what the TWU believes. Hope you guys over on the ramp side move forward. I'll keep my umbrella close by for when the rain comes. Thank you for your concern.

Blah blah blah. No nerves. You just remind me of the skinny whiny Jewish kid in my old neighborhood who complained about everything. Every time he came around we all just thought "Oh boy here he comes again"

He was very annoying just like you. Blah blah blah.

 

[AA-MRO.COM]

Blah blah blah. No nerves. You just remind me of the skinny whiny Jewish kid in my old neighborhood who complained about everything. Every time he came around we all just thought "Oh boy here he comes again"
He was very annoying just like you. Blah blah blah.

Best remember the past so as not to repeat it in the future Jewish or not
Face it 1AA is right the twu is good at one thing
NEGOTIATING CONCESSIONS OVER AND OVER AND OVER

 

[Chuck Schalk]

1AA  you get it-
we gave up the hundreds of millions of dollars in concessions to save what?     we gave everything we saved back and now they want concessions to get back anything they took.   The company in the best of times still wants concessions for things we had before.   How can the TWU negotiate for anything that was taken away.... just give it back or it is a double concession!
 

 

[WeAAsles]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVa3BwXy7v8

 

[Realityck]

The twu always moves forward with industry leading concessions. B scale, OSM, SRP, AMTO, flex benefits, Junior Mechanic, 1/2 sick pay, elimination of double time pay, 50% reduction of holidays, elimination of holiday pay, 2 tier vacation part of B scale, eliminated week of vacation, .01 & .02 cents shift premium, eliminated night shift retention premium, eliminated longevity pay, cut uniform allowance by 50% and eliminated uniform laundering, eliminated training O/T, eliminated retirement prefunding, eliminated easy hour pay, eliminated 4 hour early call guarantee. That's just in aircraft maintenance. The twu has eliminated building cleaners, cabin service and I'm sure you can think of more forward moving accomplishments the TWU achieved since 1983. I don't think we can afford anymore TWU forward moving ideas and contracts. The TWU a leader in the industry? More leadership like this we can not afford. Can you honestly say we will move forward for the better of the membership instead of the TWU's best interest? I doubt it as far as M&E is concerned. Ramp? That's your angle.

 
 
I can't respond to the Little Dynasty (Little, Gless etc.) so I won't. However, since you started off with the B Scale, I'll let you in on something AMFA has always chosen to ignore:
 
 
 
The B-Scale Plague
 
American Airlines adopted the benchmark B-scale in 1983, permanently reducing pay for newly hired pilots by 50 percent. In fact, under the AA system—negotiated while the Seham firm sat on the labor side of the table—pay rates and pensions for new employees would never merge with those of then-current employees.
 
Martin Seham wrote proudly of this accomplishment in Cleared for Takeoff: Airline Labor Relations Since Deregulation.
 
As general counsel to the Allied Pilots Association (APA), the independent certified representative of the American Airlines pilots, I was close to the negotiations that resulted, in 1983, in the earliest realization of the two-tier system. APA was not faced with an insolvent or failing carrier; it was, however, forced to deal with an economic environment that had changed dramatically because of the effects of deregulation and was, by virtue of its independence, mandated to reach an agreement consistent with the needs and objectives of its constituency. — Martin C. Seham
 
Although B-scales were not a new concept, their initial format was unique to the airline industry. Following American’s lead, other airlines began to demand similar packages—forcing the entire airline labor movement into a new era of concessions. Good for management; bad for pilots, flight attendants, mechanics, and all of the airline industry’s workers.
 
While ALPA pilots were forced to deal with this blight brought to the industry by APA and the Sehams, not one ALPA pilot group accepted a non-merging two-tier scale. The clearest example of this was the ALPA strike at United in June 1985, when the pilots refused to agree to a non-merging two-tier pay scale.
 
 
UNION OKS AMERICAN AIRLINES PACT
 
Author: United Press International
 
Transportation Workers Union officials said yesterday that union members have ratified a new contract with American Airlines, averting a strike that had been scheduled for 12:01 a.m. today.
 
TWU leaders had recommended that the contract be rejected.
 
The airline set the strike deadline on the pact after the union backed out of a strike three weeks ago and submitted the contract to the membership.
 
American had said it would use nonunion personnel to run the airline if the TWU 's 10,000 ground workers struck. It also said if the contract was not ratified, it would begin laying off TWU workers.
 
The airline 's offer includes 21 percent pay raises over the three-year life of the contract; a clause the airline calls a "lifetime" job guarantee, and incentives for early retirement at age 55.
 
But it also grants the airline the right to ask TWU employees to do work not covered in their job descriptions; establishes a separate wage structure for new employees up to 27 percent below union scale, and allows the airline to contract for building maintenance work outside the union.
 
It was these clauses that prompted TWU officials to recommend that the contract be rejected.
 
Edition: FINAL
Section: BUSINESS
Dateline: DALLAS

 

[Overspeed]

1AA,
What about AMFA? The union you love. Biggest concession of them all, allowed more outsourcing than any other union at NWA. Took on the company and got kicked out. DL mechanics wanted no part of that killer union when they had a chance.
 
TWU members have taken their hits but guess what, you are still here able to keep fighting and negotiating. Those fighting AMFA members at NWA...they're done. No chance to negotiate at all. Door is bolted shut. So knowing that, while I hated the concessions and still do, we still have a chance and therefore I support the TWU/IAM Association.

 

[Overspeed]

1AA,
What about AMFA? The union you love. Biggest concession of them all, allowed more outsourcing than any other union at NWA. Took on the company and got kicked out. DL mechanics wanted no part of that killer union when they had a chance.
 
TWU members have taken their hits but guess what, you are still here able to keep fighting and negotiating. Those fighting AMFA members at NWA...they're done. No chance to negotiate at all. Door is bolted shut. So knowing that, while I hated the concessions and still do, we still have a chance and therefore I support the TWU/IAM Association.

 

[1AA]

I can't respond to the Little Dynasty (Little, Gless etc.) so I won't. However, since you started off with the B Scale, I'll let you in on something AMFA has always chosen to ignore:
 
 
 
The B-Scale Plague
 
American Airlines adopted the benchmark B-scale in 1983, permanently reducing pay for newly hired pilots by 50 percent. In fact, under the AA system—negotiated while the Seham firm sat on the labor side of the table—pay rates and pensions for new employees would never merge with those of then-current employees.
 
Martin Seham wrote proudly of this accomplishment in Cleared for Takeoff: Airline Labor Relations Since Deregulation.
 
As general counsel to the Allied Pilots Association (APA), the independent certified representative of the American Airlines pilots, I was close to the negotiations that resulted, in 1983, in the earliest realization of the two-tier system. APA was not faced with an insolvent or failing carrier; it was, however, forced to deal with an economic environment that had changed dramatically because of the effects of deregulation and was, by virtue of its independence, mandated to reach an agreement consistent with the needs and objectives of its constituency. — Martin C. Seham
 
Although B-scales were not a new concept, their initial format was unique to the airline industry. Following American’s lead, other airlines began to demand similar packages—forcing the entire airline labor movement into a new era of concessions. Good for management; bad for pilots, flight attendants, mechanics, and all of the airline industry’s workers.
 
While ALPA pilots were forced to deal with this blight brought to the industry by APA and the Sehams, not one ALPA pilot group accepted a non-merging two-tier scale. The clearest example of this was the ALPA strike at United in June 1985, when the pilots refused to agree to a non-merging two-tier pay scale.
 
 
UNION OKS AMERICAN AIRLINES PACT
 
Author: United Press International
 
Transportation Workers Union officials said yesterday that union members have ratified a new contract with American Airlines, averting a strike that had been scheduled for 12:01 a.m. today.
 
TWU leaders had recommended that the contract be rejected.
 
The airline set the strike deadline on the pact after the union backed out of a strike three weeks ago and submitted the contract to the membership.
 
American had said it would use nonunion personnel to run the airline if the TWU 's 10,000 ground workers struck. It also said if the contract was not ratified, it would begin laying off TWU workers.
 
The airline 's offer includes 21 percent pay raises over the three-year life of the contract; a clause the airline calls a "lifetime" job guarantee, and incentives for early retirement at age 55.
 
But it also grants the airline the right to ask TWU employees to do work not covered in their job descriptions; establishes a separate wage structure for new employees up to 27 percent below union scale, and allows the airline to contract for building maintenance work outside the union.
 
It was these clauses that prompted TWU officials to recommend that the contract be rejected.
 
Edition: FINAL
Section: BUSINESS
Dateline: DALLAS

I hope you are enjoying your license premium. Who recogized the importance of being paid for our license? Definitely not the TWU. But I would not bet against them taking it away or reducing it's value.

 

[1AA]

1AA,
What about AMFA? The union you love. Biggest concession of them all, allowed more outsourcing than any other union at NWA. Took on the company and got kicked out. DL mechanics wanted no part of that killer union when they had a chance.
 
TWU members have taken their hits but guess what, you are still here able to keep fighting and negotiating. Those fighting AMFA members at NWA...they're done. No chance to negotiate at all. Door is bolted shut. So knowing that, while I hated the concessions and still do, we still have a chance and therefore I support the TWU/IAM Association.

Of course you stand behind the twu and all its concessions. Having a craft union for the M&E folks threatens you or your scam with the TWU. Next thing you'll push is the scan IAM pension onto us here at AA.

 

[Overspeed]

1AA,
And you stand behind AMFA who has overseen the loss of more jobs to low wage MROs than an union ever. AMFA threatens my career more than any other union bar none. AMFA is the ultimate scam for Seham. Now he's getting money from 591 and AMFA now. Now that's a scam.

 

[1AA]

1AA,
What about AMFA? The union you love. Biggest concession of them all, allowed more outsourcing than any other union at NWA. Took on the company and got kicked out. DL mechanics wanted no part of that killer union when they had a chance.
 
TWU members have taken their hits but guess what, you are still here able to keep fighting and negotiating. Those fighting AMFA members at NWA...they're done. No chance to negotiate at all. Door is bolted shut. So knowing that, while I hated the concessions and still do, we still have a chance and therefore I support the TWU/IAM Association.

Why don't you tell the whole story about NWA? Go watch the movie "THE RED TAIL". You support the association, the very same union that was told to cross AMFA'S picket lines. Mainly the IAM. So you pretty much support the scabs that help screw the very same people we have here doing the same work. How pathetic you loser. You have no pride and no shame.

 

[Chuck Schalk]

This is not a debate about AMFA.    All  i am asking is for all the great TWU negotiation accomplishments in the last 30 years that have benefitted their members and the industry?    I am tired of the TWU loyalist side stepping this important detail.  If you want to defend the TWU then do it by showing us all how the TWU ATD negotiations has benefitted M&R over the last 30 years.   if you can not, then just say so and we can move on if you can then start with # 3 and continue till you can't list anymore.
 
ready-set-go

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

 
 
I can't respond to the Little Dynasty (Little, Gless etc.) so I won't. However, since you started off with the B Scale, I'll let you in on something AMFA has always chosen to ignore:
 
 
 
The B-Scale Plague
 
American Airlines adopted the benchmark B-scale in 1983, permanently reducing pay for newly hired pilots by 50 percent. In fact, under the AA system—negotiated while the Seham firm sat on the labor side of the table—pay rates and pensions for new employees would never merge with those of then-current employees.
 
Martin Seham wrote proudly of this accomplishment in Cleared for Takeoff: Airline Labor Relations Since Deregulation.
 
As general counsel to the Allied Pilots Association (APA), the independent certified representative of the American Airlines pilots, I was close to the negotiations that resulted, in 1983, in the earliest realization of the two-tier system. APA was not faced with an insolvent or failing carrier; it was, however, forced to deal with an economic environment that had changed dramatically because of the effects of deregulation and was, by virtue of its independence, mandated to reach an agreement consistent with the needs and objectives of its constituency. — Martin C. Seham
 
Although B-scales were not a new concept, their initial format was unique to the airline industry. Following American’s lead, other airlines began to demand similar packages—forcing the entire airline labor movement into a new era of concessions. Good for management; bad for pilots, flight attendants, mechanics, and all of the airline industry’s workers.
 
While ALPA pilots were forced to deal with this blight brought to the industry by APA and the Sehams, not one ALPA pilot group accepted a non-merging two-tier scale. The clearest example of this was the ALPA strike at United in June 1985, when the pilots refused to agree to a non-merging two-tier pay scale.
 
 
UNION OKS AMERICAN AIRLINES PACT
 
Author: United Press International
 
Transportation Workers Union officials said yesterday that union members have ratified a new contract with American Airlines, averting a strike that had been scheduled for 12:01 a.m. today.
 
TWU leaders had recommended that the contract be rejected.
 
The airline set the strike deadline on the pact after the union backed out of a strike three weeks ago and submitted the contract to the membership.
 
American had said it would use nonunion personnel to run the airline if the TWU 's 10,000 ground workers struck. It also said if the contract was not ratified, it would begin laying off TWU workers.
 
The airline 's offer includes 21 percent pay raises over the three-year life of the contract; a clause the airline calls a "lifetime" job guarantee, and incentives for early retirement at age 55.
 
But it also grants the airline the right to ask TWU employees to do work not covered in their job descriptions; establishes a separate wage structure for new employees up to 27 percent below union scale, and allows the airline to contract for building maintenance work outside the union.
 
It was these clauses that prompted TWU officials to recommend that the contract be rejected.
 
Edition: FINAL
Section: BUSINESS
Dateline: DALLAS

 
Since when has AMFA chosen to ignore the fact that the APA started the B-Scale?
 
Oh thats right, you sad TWU pushers keep trying to lay that at Sehams feet - Sorry to burst your bubble, but Seham didn't ratify that contract - he didn't even vote - the pilots of APA at that time obviously were just fine with it as they bought it .
 
Nice Try

 

[WeAAsles]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DbiHf3fpkXo

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

1AA,
And you stand behind AMFA who has overseen the loss of more jobs to low wage MROs than an union ever. AMFA threatens my career more than any other union bar none. AMFA is the ultimate scam for Seham. Now he's getting money from 591 and AMFA now. Now that's a scam.

 
"AMFA who has overseen the loss of more jobs to low wage MROs than an union ever."
 
I'd like you to back this ridiculous statement up with fact not your absurd opinion.