TWU-IAM Association thread

[john john]

That kind of stuff will happen when you don't have a Union or a CBA for 30 years.

You mean like the LUS Passenger Service Agents and ramp agents had before unionizing

 

[WeAAsles]

You mean like the LUS AA Passenger Service Agents and ramp agents had before unionizing

Precisely. Here in MIA 3 ticket counters of red coats and only 1 blue. Gates with red coats sending down escorts and wheelchair assistance. Oversize run by red coats.

Call centers closed and farmed out and agents told to work from home for less pay and in the BK AA Freight agents scrubbed out and forced to train their replacements or no severance or Unemployment insurance.

I assume that you were trying to make a different point?

 

[WeAAsles]

Of the companies with geographic pay differentials, 75% utilize the first method. The third method can encompass a formula-driven approach, in which a percentage adjustment is added to an employee’s base salary, according to the work location.

http://financecareers.about.com/od/compensationoverview/a/Geographic-Pay-Differentials.htm

 

[700UW]

You mean like the LUS Passenger Service Agents and ramp agents had before unionizing

looks like someone forgot about the CWA and the Mainline Express that they agreed with the company where the hubs and class one cities made higher wages than the other stations.

 

[700UW]

And its quite apparent john john doesnt understand the concept of GEO pay.
 
Piedmont had it at DCA and LGA, not sure of what other stations in maintenance.
 
UA had GEO pay for years for people in HNL, LGA, JFK and a bunch of other stations.

 

[john john]

looks like someone forgot about the CWA and the Mainline Express that they agreed with the company where the hubs and class one cities made higher wages than the other stations.

CWA membership ratified the changes to their contract that allow express pay with US Airways to help the troubled airline as it seeked to emerge from bankruptcy. This was done given the carrier's bankruptcy status and the past decision of the bankruptcy judge to allow US Airways to temporarily cut workers' wages by 21 percent and implement further benefit cuts while negotiations continued.


Unlike money making United and the bad IAM United contract

And CWA negotiated this later

US Airways passenger service pay step freeze will be lifted, Holiday Option II will be resumed, and Mainline Express agents will be increased to the Mainline rate of pay...
12-6-2005
The new Passenger Service Employee Association IBT + CWA has reached an Interim Transition Agreement with US Airways management on all the outstanding seamless service and transition issues, and we will accordingly withdraw our change of control grievance. After two months of negotiations by the committee (CWA Local Officers, attorneys and staff and IBT attorneys and staff) the agreement calls for the following:
1. End the pay step freeze for US Airways agents effective this coming April 1, 2006 – snap up to $18 per hour top rate from the current $17;
2. Reinstate the Vacation Option II (bid holidays as vacation) for US Airways effective the next vacation bid (Fall 2006);
3. Raise US Airways Mainline Express Agents to the Mainline pay scale in the following steps:

 

[john john]

And its quite apparent john john doesnt understand the concept of GEO pay.
 
Piedmont had it at DCA and LGA, not sure of what other stations in maintenance.
 
UA had GEO pay for years for people in HNL, LGA, JFK and a bunch of other stations.

I understand it don't agree with it. Opens the box for pay difference at different locations. Like the bad United IAM contract

 

[WeAAsles]

I understand it don't agree with it. Opens the box for pay difference at different locations. Like the bad United IAM contract

I've spoken to many people who argue against it but it never fails to surprise me that those who are against it always live in low COL areas. May I ask once again where you live and work John John?

So is your solution to what I see as an obvious problem to be "Well if they don't like it they can move" or "That's not my problem where they chose to live"

Can you offer up any solution? Or should we just remain with the ideology "Hey look at me living here in Miss-iss-i-ppi, King of the World" 

http://www.missourieconomy.org/indicators/cost_of_living/

 

[WeAAsles]

Hey check this one out. Notice the single RED dot. Babylon NY. That's out on the tip of Long Island. My cousins grew up in Babylon and some still live there. My best buddy lives a town over in Smithtown. 52 years old and stuck living with his Mom and Dad.

The color of the markers corresponds with the Cost of Living in the city. Red markers show more expensive cities, green ones show cheaper cities.
The size of the markers correspond with the population of each city.
Moving the mouse on top of a city will show its name and the Cost of Living Index of the city.

http://www.expatistan.com/cost-of-living/country/united-states

 

[john john]

So is your solution to what I see as an obvious problem to be "Well if they don't like it they can move" or "That's not my problem where they chose to live"

No don’t feel that way at all. A good contract for all membership your quote sounds like IAM leadership after the BAD United IAM contract. Pretty much what they said

 

[WeAAsles]

No don’t feel that way at all. A good contract for all membership your quote sounds like IAM leadership after the BAD United IAM contract. Pretty much what they said

Hey John John check this out. I was able to find a Studio in Long Island city for only $1350.00 per month. Hey ain't that fantastic.

Again. Where did you say that you live? Did I miss your answer?

Oh and this won't be concessionary negotiations so you can take a chill pill on that one.

http://www.apartments.com/apartments/?sk=eb509325ffbae4cd0b503d1b429012e0&bb=lxp5w6qrvHz6x65N&so=2

 

[john john]

Oh and this won't be concessionary negotiations so you can take a chill pill on that one.

Either was UA/IAM

 

[WeAAsles]

BTW John John in Fleet 7% above the top DL base rate comes out to $26.50. Still SUX for some places in my eyes

"Perfect World" We take the industry averaging in September and the percentage above that to the DL comparison gets doled out to those places that really NEED it.

Don't worry though there Bro, I know I don't live in a perfect world. But someone should always sell the dream.

 

[WeAAsles]

Either was UA/IAM

Just refuse to say where you live huh there John John? Don't worry. I think I already have a good idea.

 

[john john]

Just refuse to say where you live huh there John John? Don't worry. I think I already have a good idea.

Not one of the only 7 cities that UA IAM allowed