TWU-IAM Association thread

[bigjets]

I can survive without it. It's Chuck and his friends in NY on here who are screaming the loudest that they need it. I support them on that one. Yes they NEED it!!!
Will the rest of the membership systemwide agree is the big question? "Hello Tulsa"

Funny the biggest concentration of mechs live in tulsa and DFW area, the two cheapest stations in the system. I bet geo pay wouldn't pass there as they wouldn't get it.

 

[Overspeed]

JABORD,
Who at AMFA or WN has said it's the TWU's fault that they have no progress in negotiations other than Chuck's opinion. WN CEO Kelly said shortly after AMR filed BK that due to all their major competition - US, DL, UA, and AA - filing BK they were no longer competing with high cost legacy airline cost structures. Like bob@las-AA posted, the new economic environment we all live in is dictating what we get paid.
 
WN has more than just the mechanics negotiating and getting denied progress. The pilots are now prepping for a strike. It's not just a mechanic issue and the TWU did not cause it all.

 

[1AA]

Funny the biggest concentration of mechs live in tulsa and DFW area, the two cheapest stations in the system. I bet geo pay wouldn't pass there as they wouldn't get it.

Dude you are out of touch with the issues that have faced us in the past and what waits for us in the future.

 

[1AA]

Your right Chuck, we are pitiful for not holding our union accountable. It's almost impossible by the way the constitution is written. I guess it's OK for the union to hold back 14% of our equity. It's OK for the union to allow the company to keep our prefunding match. It's OK for the union to tell us we will vote on the association and then blame the nmb for signing off on it. Did I leave anything out? Just pitiful how guys we work with side by side still support the twu and keep believing that we will do better next time. Now I hear let's see what we get in a jcba. Expect more concessions but we will get a pay raise in one hand and give up money in another. Just watch and see.

 

[Realityck]

There's so much knowledge in these posts,

Chuck voted against pay raise in 2010, now complains that's tulsas fault.
TUL has voted in bad contract after bad contract and is now suffering the consequences
Jabord blames us for SWA contract difficulties, when SWA mechs are negotiating against their own contract sense they are at the top of the airline pay.

Bob@las has the smartest comment, a lot of what we get paid is based on the economy. We were the lowest for a long time to keep TULSA open and that's just a fact. Now that it's a shell of its former self we should do quite well.

The association is our union like it or not, and it MUST succeed, the TWU has out smarted every attempt to remove it and AMFA hasn't gotten it done.

As oldguy says the past is done, time to prepare the future.
I'm paraphrasing

 
 
 
 
The Little – Gless crowd are history. Local Presidents like Peterson etc. have been drafting the proposals, and the negotiating process will start soon. Now is the time to stand together. Bitching about the past will only comfort management like the USAir/America West Pilot conflict did. They fought for years among themselves, while USAir management prospered.
 
We all have issues that we’d like to have addressed and this is our best opportunity to do that. Keep
pi- -ing in the wind and all you’ll do is get wet.

 

[1AA]

It's the TWU who destroyed our past. Now we have to band together for what? I've heard it and experienced it just under 30 years. Tell us how it will be different this time around versus the last 5 times?

 

[AANOTOK]

 
 
 
 
The Little – Gless crowd are history. Local Presidents like Peterson etc. have been drafting the proposals, and the negotiating process will start soon. Now is the time to stand together. Bitching about the past will only comfort management like the USAir/America West Pilot conflict did. They fought for years among themselves, while USAir management prospered.
 
We all have issues that we’d like to have addressed and this is our best opportunity to do that. Keep
pi- -ing in the wind and all you’ll do is get wet.

And according to the MOU,"But in no event later than 30 days after certification" negotiations will  begin.
So by this signed document relayed to it's members, I fully expect the negotiating parties to be at the table no
later than 6-19-15.

 

[Overspeed]

AANOTOK,
True there is an MOU. I believe our guys - IAM and the TWU - need to get their plan together before we start talking to AA.
 
I agree with Realityck. Stay mired in the past and we can never move forward. It's fine to note what we don't like but we need to support our leadership and collective bargaining agent on getting us a great deal. And Chuck is right that we should hold them accountable but that takes all of us getting involved. It's not the TWU Constitution that stops us, its our apathy and lack of involvement. We need to pack the union halls like we did in 80s and early 90s. Let our leaders know we will keep showing up and keep pushing them.
 
Any union is based on participation and activism by its membership.

 

[john john]

Funny the biggest concentration of mechs live in tulsa and DFW area, the two cheapest stations in the system. I bet geo pay wouldn't pass there as they wouldn't get it.

Give them a singing bonus and retro pay and a good pay raise that is how IAM and United got a contract to pass to outsource and close stations

 

[Overspeed]

The truth is if the New AA follows the LUS MX plan then less and less LC work will be done in TUL. LUS doesn't do block C and B like LAA. They do phase checks which combine B and LC in to a bunch of smaller overnight work packs done in over the year. TUL AMTs may find themselves side by side with Line AMTs in the not so distant future. A new contract should take that new future in to account.

 

[dfw gen]

And according to the MOU,"But in no event later than 30 days after certification" negotiations will  begin.
So by this signed document relayed to it's members, I fully expect the negotiating parties to be at the table no
later than 6-19-15.

kind of like we will vote on the association?last i heard they whole committee will meet for the first time on July 6th
they can do that brother. and you are now out of order.....

 

[Chuck Schalk]

Any TWU advocate.   tell us all the great accomplishments the TWUATD has made in negotiations since 1983?  
 
start with #1..............     
 
 
I will wait...........
 
 
 
I say we are at this lowest point due to all theTWU  concessions since 1983 and have destroyed the industry prove me wrong
 
start with #1............

 

[700UW]

PMUS does an S-Check every five to six years depending when the plane was built.
 
Also the S-Check is all the C's combined and some added things.

 

[Buck]

The truth is if the New AA follows the LUS MX plan then less and less LC work will be done in TUL. LUS doesn't do block C and B like LAA. They do phase checks which combine B and LC in to a bunch of smaller overnight work packs done in over the year. TUL AMTs may find themselves side by side with Line AMTs in the not so distant future. A new contract should take that new future in to account.

GO ahead and pick a seniority date while you are at it. Who will be left in Tulsa?

 

[Chuck Schalk]

Any TWU advocate.   tell us all the great accomplishments the TWUATD has made in negotiations since 1983?  
 
start with #1..............     
 
 
I will wait...........
 
 
 
I say we are at this lowest point due to all theTWU  concessions since 1983 and have destroyed the industry prove me wrong
 
start with #1............

1 1/2 hours and no response......this should be  so easy,   I am waiting..........
 
start with #1___________
 
demonstrate with facts on how much better off we are ?