TWU-IAM Association thread

[1AA]

I've worked at 4 different stations. I certainly agree line stations have much different staffing needs. Is this new policy for the line or just Tul.

I heard but nothing in writing yet that it is for twu represented employees. You know one size fits all. Ramp and maintenance lumped together. The way the twu operates.

 

[bob@las-AA]

For Bob.
 
Baggage Handler (Aviation/Airline) Salary
 
Very much a male-dominated career in the United States, Baggage Handlers earn an average of $12.05 per hour. Pay generally varies between $9.23 per hour and $22.33. Compensation for this group is mainly affected by career duration, but the specific employer and geography are influential factors as well. Although a strong majority have medical coverage and the greater part have dental coverage, close to one-fourth claim no health benefits at all. Job satisfaction is high and work is enjoyable for most Baggage Handlers. The data for this synopsis comes from respondents who took the PayScale salary survey.

http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Baggage_Handler_%28Aviation%2fAirline%29/Hourly_Rate
http://www.bls.gov/
 
A former baggage handler for Delta Air Lines claims in a new lawsuit that he was fired from his job of 26 years for union organizing and public comments about low pay for Delta’s ground workers.
The suit, filed Thursday by Christopher “Kip” Hedges in U.S. District Court in Minneapolis, asserts that the Atlanta-based airline violated provisions of the federal Railway Labor Act that prohibits company interference in union activities.
Hedges, a baggage handler and ramp worker who started with Northwest Airlines and was once a top union official, claims he was fired last December for publicly stating that “a lot of Delta workers make less than $15 an hour.”

http://www.startribune.com/delta-baggage-handler-says-pay-union-advocacy-cost-him-his-job/305515321/

Maybe Bob would also like to ask Kip or Kev about the 35% PT Ready Reserve system at Delta. Plus the other 30% PT regular rate? Would Bob be in that top 35% so he could get HIS?

Maybe Bob would also have to wonder what might happen if 2 out of the 4 major airlines were non Union? What might happen if he had that ability to take his current contract and throw it ALL in the garbage.

Guys like you Bob are why I didn't want that vote. I don't think there are really a lot of you out there but there could be just enough to make me nervous. Then again maybe you know what you are talking about? I'm sure that the High School you graduated from probably had a Rocket Science class?

[1]Ok I was ready to blast you for your myopic, indoctrinated stance in defending all the misguided pros for the TWU, IAM, AMFA, or any other 3 or 4 letter combination that called them a Union. You last line in this thread made my read it just one more time.
The certification of the association by the NMB is a dead issue, that part is set in stone. Again, I will state for the record my last post, forthwith prompted you to respond, I'm not a fan of any Union period! What was a necessity in the early 20th century, is now outdated and ripe for change of direction or elimination. As big business has always demonstrates, the "share holders are priory one." If it means cutting heads and wages then so be it. Sprint elected a new CEO to cure their troubles, and what happens?
http://money.cnn.com/2009/01/26/news/companies/sprint_job_cuts/?postversion=2009012608
And the business world thought this man was a genius. 
WEZ, profits will ALWAYS govern the amount of people it takes to generate those dollars.
[2] This art. almost did a good job investigating the background of both DL and this "Kip" dude.
It was written as a fluff piece to boast his continued disdain for Delta because of its merger with NW. In 2005 before the merg. NW had 8793 departures in January alone. In the month in 2014 the flight were reduced by 80.16%. in MSP where the other of this art. lives.
[3]And to those who sought after a job Delta and voluntarily agreed to work under those conditions because it fits the individual's need, good for them.
For now I give you this last bit, In the art. one sentence stuck out.
"In early 2012, Hedges said he was questioned by Delta management after he made critical comments about Delta’s use of part-time workers in ground jobs. Later, Hedges said he was given a “final warning” for violating Delta’s “advocacy policy” for attempting to get workers to sign union authorization cards. His appeals were denied." By David Phelps Star Tribune
could it be a disgruntled employee who was just a career slug and very unhappy about the merg, Trying to get back what he lost???
 
MUST READ http://origin.library.constantcontact.com/download/get/file/1104264294954-220/Advocacy+Policy+IFS.pdf

 

[MetalMover]

I've worked at 4 different stations. I certainly agree line stations have much different staffing needs. Is this new policy for the line or just Tul.

It is for all TWU represented people. Thanks to the TWU who never felt the need to insist the company get the CS policy in the contract, they can change it at will. Having said that, it only makes sense for them to have the new policy reflect that of the IAM people at US as their work groups have in IN THE CONTRACT.
I guess the TWU spent most of their time on hammering out the BULLETIN BOARD agreement in our CBA.

 

[bigjets]

From the presidents desk, is the 4/10s meant just for Tulsa or all stations, 4/10s would be great for all shifts at the line; seems like AA is constantly short handed, plus with 3 days off working a 6 day wouldn't be such a weekend killer.

Right now the CS policy is controlled by the station manager, and the CS policy has always been under constant threat. Might be good that it's in the contract, kind of like the flight crews CS policy is contractual not to mention the fact the jumpseats are in the flight crews contracts.

 

[WeAAsles]

[1]Ok I was ready to blast you for your myopic, indoctrinated stance in defending all the misguided pros for the TWU, IAM, AMFA, or any other 3 or 4 letter combination that called them a Union. You last line in this thread made my read it just one more time.
The certification of the association by the NMB is a dead issue, that part is set in stone. Again, I will state for the record my last post, forthwith prompted you to respond, I'm not a fan of any Union period! What was a necessity in the early 20th century, is now outdated and ripe for change of direction or elimination. As big business has always demonstrates, the "share holders are priory one." If it means cutting heads and wages then so be it. Sprint elected a new CEO to cure their troubles, and what happens?
http://money.cnn.com/2009/01/26/news/companies/sprint_job_cuts/?postversion=2009012608
And the business world thought this man was a genius. 
WEZ, profits will ALWAYS govern the amount of people it takes to generate those dollars.
[2] This art. almost did a good job investigating the background of both DL and this "Kip" dude.
It was written as a fluff piece to boast his continued disdain for Delta because of its merger with NW. In 2005 before the merg. NW had 8793 departures in January alone. In the month in 2014 the flight were reduced by 80.16%. in MSP where the other of this art. lives.
[3]And to those who sought after a job Delta and voluntarily agreed to work under those conditions because it fits the individual's need, good for them.
For now I give you this last bit, In the art. one sentence stuck out.
"In early 2012, Hedges said he was questioned by Delta management after he made critical comments about Delta’s use of part-time workers in ground jobs. Later, Hedges said he was given a “final warning” for violating Delta’s “advocacy policy” for attempting to get workers to sign union authorization cards. His appeals were denied." By David Phelps Star Tribune
could it be a disgruntled employee who was just a career slug and very unhappy about the merg, Trying to get back what he lost???
 
MUST READ http://origin.library.constantcontact.com/download/get/file/1104264294954-220/Advocacy+Policy+IFS.pdf

I can't tell you how many times I need to post these FACTS for you anti Union lost souls that prove with simplicity that you simply have no legs to stand on for your argument.
 

--Median weekly earnings of nonunion workers ($763) were 79 percent of
     earnings for workers who were union members ($970). (The comparisons of
     earnings in this release are on a broad level and do not control for many
     factors that can be important in explaining earnings differences.)
     (See table 2.)


That's $207.00 per week, $828.00 per month, or $9,936.00 per year.

But you continue on with your foolish notions Sir.

And as far as your Delta Advocacy policy which is designed in it's nature as something reminiscent of Communist North Korea.
I give it no credence and hopefully the court doesn't either and rules in Mr Hedges favor. 

  http://www.bls.gov/news.release/union2.nr0.htm

 

[bob@las-AA]

 
I can't tell you how many times I need to post these FACTS for you anti Union lost souls that prove with simplicity that you simply have no legs to stand on for your argument.
 

--Median weekly earnings of nonunion workers ($763) were 79 percent of
earnings for workers who were union members ($970). (The comparisons of
earnings in this release are on a broad level and do not control for many
factors that can be important in explaining earnings differences.)
(See table 2.)


That's $207.00 per week, $828.00 per month, or $9,936.00 per year.

But you continue on with your foolish notions Sir.

And as far as your Delta Advocacy policy which is designed in it's nature as something reminiscent of Communist North Korea.
I give it no credence and hopefully the court doesn't either and rules in Mr Hedges favor.

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/union2.nr0.htm

What would McDonald's  have to charge for a happy meal if the had to pay the workers $15 / hour. And would they force the eating public to concessions and take away the toy.
 
I could see how data in the BLS would be a tasty treat. But I question the real numbers versus the (Median random population sample) The sampling of 60000 is .0041%. The variables that determine a wage from state to state are infinite. But I will give this, It would suggest organized labor (public and private avg. were calculated together) makes more. But the way they constructed the data is very wide and is hard to drill down to individual occupations.

 

[bob@las-AA]

Here is the results from the last contract voted on in 2012.
 
Out of 10525 eligible TWU members, only 6594 voted representing  62.65% ( I expected more, what happened? is it the fading ideology of the interest in unions all together?  )
Out of the 6594 ballots, 3872 "Yes votes" representing 58.78% 
And out of the 3872 "Yes votes" 2835 "Yes votes" were for the package, that is 73.21% votes for themselves, the way they should have.
 
So the next rag we vote on, I hope ALL vote for selfish reasons and F*&k the idea of "Vote for what is good for the collective."

 

[Chuck Schalk]

The TWU concessions are the staple for negotiations at UAL and Southwest. We should be proud that the TWU has lowered the bar for the entire industry with the blessings of Don V., Bobby Gless and Jim Little.   Yes we have not only lowered our expectations we have succeeded in lowering the industry expectations in negotiatons.
We will never get ahead with the TWU concessions on the table everywhere.......never!
 
in fact, some of the concessions may come back like double time for holidays, a couple dollars in a raise  but this will be short changed by the concessions attached to it.  so in short, we gave concessions only to get a concession back only to get more concessions to keep it.
 
If any Airlines values their employees they would just give back concessions no strings attached and move forward but that will not happen.  
 
we are so undervalued, under respected, and our careers are dying a slow death and no one cares!
 
the only thing i have heard is " if the mess with the CS policy, i will be pissed"  again, glad to see our priorities are in order.  Do not get me wrong CS is important but we lost alot more than that and we have been acceptingly silent on all fronts.
 
Losing the pension, retiree medical, medical supplement and  being underpaid and still having to pay a 1/2 day to call in sick is on the top of my priorty list.   without these, we are all locked in working till 65 if not 70 years old!
 
 Congrats Corporate America your winning and nothing is stopping you from continuing to win
 
 
 
 
 
 

 

[Overspeed]

Chuck,
You gave up? Your buddy Bob is about to lead us to major labor victory. He's the self-anointed second coming of Quill.

 

[Chuck Schalk]

Chuck,
You gave up? Your buddy Bob is about to lead us to major labor victory. He's the self-anointed second coming of Quill.

 
 
who needs to give up?   The TWU has given up everything and more......
 
Delta plus 7 = $43.56 an hour with the JCBA........right overspeed?
 
date of signing right overspeed?    isn't that what is being sold to the members?

 

[DNTULSA]

Chuck,
You gave up? Your buddy Bob is about to lead us to major labor victory. He's the self-anointed second coming of Quill.

Hey underspeed.
 
There ought to be a law against you coming around.

 

[bob@las-AA]

The TWU concessions are the staple for negotiations at UAL and Southwest. We should be proud that the TWU has lowered the bar for the entire industry with the blessings of Don V., Bobby Gless and Jim Little.   Yes we have not only lowered our expectations we have succeeded in lowering the industry expectations in negotiatons.
We will never get ahead with the TWU concessions on the table everywhere.......never!
 
in fact, some of the concessions may come back like double time for holidays, a couple dollars in a raise  but this will be short changed by the concessions attached to it.  so in short, we gave concessions only to get a concession back only to get more concessions to keep it.
 
If any Airlines values their employees they would just give back concessions no strings attached and move forward but that will not happen.  
 
we are so undervalued, under respected, and our careers are dying a slow death and no one cares!
 
the only thing i have heard is " if the mess with the CS policy, i will be pissed"  again, glad to see our priorities are in order.  Do not get me wrong CS is important but we lost alot more than that and we have been acceptingly silent on all fronts.
 
Losing the pension, retiree medical, medical supplement and  being underpaid and still having to pay a 1/2 day to call in sick is on the top of my priorty list.   without these, we are all locked in working till 65 if not 70 years old!
 
 Congrats Corporate America your winning and nothing is stopping you from continuing to win
 
 
 
 
 
 

Sounds like you squandered all that gravy money you made in the past 25 years on a lifestyle that was meant for the rich and famous. 

 

[Chuck Schalk]

Sounds like you squandered all that gravy money you made in the past 25 years on a lifestyle that was meant for the rich and famous. 

not really, it is called living in a high cost area with declining pay and benefits

 

[Overspeed]

But Chuck you have your side contracting and marriage counseling business you started as president of 562. Didn't pan out?

 

[Chuck Schalk]

But Chuck you have your side contracting and marriage counseling business you started as president of 562. Didn't pan out?

this is not about me overspun, this is about anyone working in high cost areas. unlike you i am concerned about other people but myself