I dug around and it turns out my contract books only go back to 95 but I will say that since I hired in before Sept. 85 I had a 9 year progression. After Sept. 1 the C scale had a 12 year progression. The contract of 89 shortened my progression to 7 years. The extension of 92 shortened everyone's progression to where if you were hired from 88 and back you topped out in Sept 92. Those are facts. I do not remember getting any double steps nor does anyone else I hired in with. I asked other B and C scalers today what they remember. They remember it the way I do and not what Reality copied and pasted. But either way it has nothing to do with the headcount reduction. I was a B scaler. I had it better than the C scalers and D scalers but nobody had it or will ever have it better than the A scalers had it. Post whatever you want from the past before you were employed here. Those of us who were here know what happened. Why don't you copy/paste stuff from the 68 contract when the union went on strike? That would be something to see. Not how the A scalers screwed everyone that would come after them.
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OldGuy@AA said:
“Post whatever you want from the past before you were employed here. Those of us who were here know what happened. Why don't you copy/paste stuff from the 68 contract when the union went on strike? That would be something to see”
1. I was an AMT at American during those years, that’s why I have copies of the contracts
2. The 21 day TWU Strike was in 1969 (2/27/69 – 3/19/69)
3. While I don’t have a copy of the Contract for that year, the top AMT rate
at the time of the strike was $4.25 an hr.
I am amused at how you are trying to make a pile of horse crap (The TWU contracts from 80s) look like gold. If you were here you know the TWU did not do anything for anyone but the A scalers. If you say otherwise you are out to lunch and just an appologist for the short comings of the TWU. The B scale came in when they offered the A scalers a lump sum retirement. 89 we took concessions (lost our free medical) while Crandall made record profits. Now I guess you'll deny this stuff too. But this still has nothing to do with any headcount changes.
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The funny thing is that this was accomplished without bankruptcy... What a coup for the company.OldGuy@AA said:
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Well, I think it is safe to say that the TWU's love affair with AA is nearing an end. This ain't the same old management.bigjets said:
Exactly. We have always brought up the rear. I remember at a pres. conference years ago when someone asked Carty how come he continued to pay mechanics less than Delta and United and he said "I think you're only 2 or 3 dollars an hour behind Delta and United which is not very much." I was amused that it wasn't much until we asked for it.MetalMover said:
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There are still hundreds of AMTO's waiting to be recalled
Yep and out of that $4.25 you took home 85 cents on the dollar because taxes and SSI was lower. (thats in NY, in other states it may have been 90 cents on the dollar). For $4400, or six months pay you could by a top of the line L-88 Corvette, now a top of the line Corvette goes for $88,000 or in excess of one years pay, closer to two years net after deductions to cover lost benefits. Lets not forget that you had full medical, dental, and a pension, so the entire net out of that $4.25 was yours to live off of. More than likely you could buy a nice house in Dallas for $10k in 1969 (or $12k in ORD) or just over one years pay. Sure the wage was much less but so were the costs, you could live very well on $4.25 in 1969. And why were you able get a wage where you could afford things like houses , new cars and a much higher standard of living on just one salary back then? Because every now and then the company knew the Union would shut them down for 21 days so mechanics didn't end up having to work 256 days to be able to afford what mechanics used to be able to get from working 128 days. So yes, 21 days without a paycheck, but the paychecks they ended up with as a result of striking every now and then went twice as far. So here we are now in real terms working 128 days per year, every year, for free instead of risking a strike every ten years or so and losing 21 days of work.Realityck said:
See thats the problem with you, you think you are a Union advocate but you have bought into all the right wing anti-labor forces propaganda that justifies us all working for much less so those at the top can have unfathomable wealth at our expense.
We have someone here at JFK who was here before you started who said, "We had more when I got hired than we have now".
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