TAESL closing January 31
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I'm hoping that language is adopted in the JCBA. However for this situation, I believe they will utilize the current twu language.ATD said:
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Back in the day the closed GSO, and INT hangars, and after the chapter 11 part two they closed the back shops, the system worked ok and even had a process to help make sure when you reached you bumping destination you didn't have bump or abolishment waiting for you at the new bid area, they tried to process it fast to prevent that.
AA won't have that either, if the rumors from this board are correct, there will be about 120 slots CREATED at DWH, (and there are goofs here calling AA the "enemy") but the the rest of the OPEN slots are SFO LAX JFK LGA, I think ORD is full. When SJU took a big layoff recently those guys went to MCO and MIA. I think those stations are full too.texasreb said:
I would seriously consider moving family with you, commuting will suck especially when ALL the flight crews will be going to DFW for training. If your kids don't want to move, remind them who's in charge. It sucks but a family unit is more important then your kids friends. I wish all those guys well. Side note SPIRIT airlines was hiring for DFW, if staying in Dallas your only option. There was a guy from Dallas who quit AA at ORD who went to work for The Rail Road in Fort Worth.
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I looked at their language and they bump by seniority, no junior pool stuff. But their seniority list includes all mechanics, auto and facility guys to. So if I had that two years ago I could have been changing light bulbs in the terminal back at DFW because I am senior to a bunch of facility guys. I mentioned that to the title 2 rep here, and the guy went ballistic on me about how AMT's will never bump my guys. I like to go by seniority, but we should be allowed to bump all mechanics. The seniority list being spilt is BS in my view and is a special deal for title 2bigjets said:
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That very issue of Title II is still a sticking point in the talks between the 2 unions.
IAM wants it the way you do and obviously, the TWU will try to keep TitleII as it is.
The outcome of that one will affect a good number of mechanics.
My thoughts on it are, if Title II goes away and they do it the IAM way, will Title II continue to support the TWU and not sign any cards to remove them in the future?
TWU has enjoyed almost unanimous support fromTitle II, it's largely the reason they are still on the property.
It's hard to say we should have our own class and craft if you can work on 777s one day, then the next day changing light bulbs in the hangar bathroom the next.
But it's not like the AFL CIO is working diligently to get us our own class and craft. I wonder if there is a collective pucker from the 350 junior guys at DFW thinking of bumping by seniority, and then when Tulsa takes the big hit, DFW is only a 5 hour drive Tulsa. What will happen? I wish our association would tell us what they were proposing. Those meetings between the two unions have got to be cantankerous.
But it's not like the AFL CIO is working diligently to get us our own class and craft. I wonder if there is a collective pucker from the 350 junior guys at DFW thinking of bumping by seniority, and then when Tulsa takes the big hit, DFW is only a 5 hour drive Tulsa. What will happen? I wish our association would tell us what they were proposing. Those meetings between the two unions have got to be cantankerous.
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Title 2 votes on our agreement but yet they are insulated from the havoc the results or their votes cause. Maybe we should be able to bump them?ASSociation Clown said:
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Move crew outsourcing news comes from station chairman at twu.
Tulsa getting wacked is nothing new and will be the biggest hit to the twu pocket(lots of dues loss). Will it be all at once, I doubt it, but over the length of the contract. B-check work card packages are increasing..ya..think about it.
Job loss will fund the raise.
Am I pissed about how twu handled the AFW lay off in 2012 YES, Taesl boys were happily watching guys roll their boxes off the property..what goes around comes around, no love from me.
Somebody mentioned to keep this thread on track and not talk about the contract, this thread has EVERYTHING to do with the contract. The contract will be about job loss and that's what is happening at Taesl. Union, AA and members have known for a long time that the agreement between RR and AA could dissolve. Plenty of guys there thinking Taesl would stay for twenty plus years after BK contract...didn't even make it five years. TWU should have prepared for this before BK.
Like I said, company has the twu pined down, Union will have to either agree to job loss and a raise or continue with what we have right now and still lose. TWU is eating **** from both ends.
Isom in the last town hall here said the company will be hiring thousands across the system, what he did not say that most will be non union and part time, ALSO, how many people are leaving this company.
Example: When I came to this station there were 327 mechanics on the seniority list not including CC, TCC and INSP. Now, 300 mechanics and that is with almost thirty new hires off the street.
People may not like what I have to say, but this will be a mega concessionary contract. Delta has way less Mechanics than AA..take a look at their scope, AA wants to mirror them.
I've signed more AMFA cards than I can remember, and still nothing. When going to the local meeting, the most important subject is what topping to get on the pizza...
O yea, just wait and see what they do when the seniority list gets merged, it wont be pretty.
Tulsa getting wacked is nothing new and will be the biggest hit to the twu pocket(lots of dues loss). Will it be all at once, I doubt it, but over the length of the contract. B-check work card packages are increasing..ya..think about it.
Job loss will fund the raise.
Am I pissed about how twu handled the AFW lay off in 2012 YES, Taesl boys were happily watching guys roll their boxes off the property..what goes around comes around, no love from me.
Somebody mentioned to keep this thread on track and not talk about the contract, this thread has EVERYTHING to do with the contract. The contract will be about job loss and that's what is happening at Taesl. Union, AA and members have known for a long time that the agreement between RR and AA could dissolve. Plenty of guys there thinking Taesl would stay for twenty plus years after BK contract...didn't even make it five years. TWU should have prepared for this before BK.
Like I said, company has the twu pined down, Union will have to either agree to job loss and a raise or continue with what we have right now and still lose. TWU is eating **** from both ends.
Isom in the last town hall here said the company will be hiring thousands across the system, what he did not say that most will be non union and part time, ALSO, how many people are leaving this company.
Example: When I came to this station there were 327 mechanics on the seniority list not including CC, TCC and INSP. Now, 300 mechanics and that is with almost thirty new hires off the street.
People may not like what I have to say, but this will be a mega concessionary contract. Delta has way less Mechanics than AA..take a look at their scope, AA wants to mirror them.
I've signed more AMFA cards than I can remember, and still nothing. When going to the local meeting, the most important subject is what topping to get on the pizza...
O yea, just wait and see what they do when the seniority list gets merged, it wont be pretty.
Seriously ! Title ll, They are largely the reason. Lay the blame where it belongs. Title l has never been able to get their $$hit together, They want someone to blame for their groups shortcomings. You guys are so divided its to easy to play you! If its not Title ll its Fleet service. The last time i checked there were about 1500 title ll compared to 9000 title l. But less than 50% even bother to vote. Who's it going to be next the stock clerks?Traymark said:
