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BigMac
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To my knowledge no "unlicensed" OSMs are at the line nor is there a plan for them on the line in the future. Yes, OH A&Ps must be certified and cleared for line maintenance. If you go back and read it was stated hypotheticaly if the TWU and AA had their way that "unlicensed" OSMs would be going to the line.
BigMac
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I have a friend that was given a choice to go to ORD or JFK or be downgraded to a TULE OSM/AMT. He is currently working the line @ ORD. Look it up. There is currently several effected OSM/AMTs that are looking into QALS for line maintenance. They have A&Ps and have that right.
Thomas Paine
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Well yes, as long as they have two years experience , their licenses and pass the line test. Do you really think Local management on the Line is going to allow 100 guys from OH with no line experience bump into JFK and another 100 into LAX? They will do like Tulsa management used to do when guys from the line used to try and bump into Tulsa, fail them on the test, or terminate them when they aren't up to speed. Its not fair to the guys but its what was voted in. I agree you should be able to go where your 17 years puts you, but that's not what Tulsa voted for, instead you have to go where the Junior man or the vacancy is, and most of the Junior people are in NY or CA. IIRC HR pulled the two year experience requirement but Aircraft Maintenance management put it back in, and that was with a small movement of people where they were filling vacancies, not bumping, in a hypothetical Tulsa shutdown, I would imagine that management would make it much more difficult for Tulsa workers to bump the line, not because they like us but because they want to preserve their operation, if Tulsa cant get a c=check done on time imagine the impact to the line operation where On-time is measured in minutes not days or weeks, and the thing is do you expect the Line guys to fight so Tulsa can take their jobs? Its a bad situation and there are hard feelings because the leaders from Tulsa always had an attitude of entitlement and it never mattered to them what everyone else wanted or needed. Your buddy probably didn't bump anybody, he probably filled a vacancy in ORD, but if it came down to ORD having 25% of their mechanics flushed out to make room for guys who never worked the line expect the company to make it much harder for them to exercise their rights. So yes, if they are A&Ps and meet the other criteria they have the right to excercise it within the confines of the CBA and the GPM but remember, the company wrote both of them. If you think you are going to get hit the best move would be to put in for a transfer now, if you get into a line station on a transfer and don't bump anyone chances are you will find guys willing to help bring you up to speed, come in on a bump where you pushed their buddy out onto the street and you probably wont. Not only that but whatever station you get you bring your seniority with you so you probably wont be affected by any RIFs that come later. From what I've read here 300-400 a year for the next several years, even with 17 years you will probably get hit. It may be better to make a choice instead of it being made for you.
Thomas Paine
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Everyone? I didn't. You are talking about the past, when we had DT, 10 Holidays, system protection and lots of other things Tulsa voted to give away.iluvaa said:
We'll see, remember the company rewrote the contract and can rewrite the GPM at will, thanks to Tulsa, the location of where the test is given is determined by the company, not the contract or Local 514. Its one thing for 15 to 20 guys to bump into a station with 400 guys, its another when its 100 guys bumping into a station with 300. I simply don't see it happening.
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Oh man! How good it is, to be on the outside looking in! The Profession that I was so proud to be a part of, and started out in 1968, no longer exists!---- Sad!
Tex-Mech
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Thomas Paine
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Really? You take pleasure at looking at other peoples suffering?MCI transplant said:
Tex-Mech
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Yeah...voting for concessions in MCI-like the 2003 one--will do that to the profession.MCI transplant said:
Thomas Paine
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Wonder what that young woman is saying now?Tex-Mech said:
"Guaranteed a contract for six years"? How gullible. AA was guaranteed the lowest wages in the industry but the workers aren't guaranteed anything but the worst deal in the industry for six years.
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I understand the hate for Tulsa but just remember 20 some percent of us voted no. I know it doesn't really matter at this point, but how do you think we feel, we have to work next to the spineless pu**ies. But don't worry about me bumping to the line I'm going to run as far away from this place as I can. I'm done with aviation
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Well, I see there's at least one intelligent person on this thread!iluvaa said:
