Strike?

[Strake]

Now that we are back at the table, ( or are we?). How many of us are really willing to strike? I hope we find out.

 

[odie01]

Now that we are back at the table, ( or are we?). How many of us are really willing to strike? I hope we find out.

I really don't understand your logic. Are you saying you would like to strike? I don't think anybody wants a strike, but if we are forced to, then that is what we must do.

 

[proAMT]

Strike is an outdated strategy. There are more effective methods available to insure an agreement that all sides can be satisfied with other than strike or even the threat of strike. I believe a strike is an indication that all sides have failed.

Strike- a word the TWU International uses to scare its sheep into mindlessly voting yes.

I honestly believe we will end up with a good contract and then we can begin to work together in ensure American and its maintenance are second to none.

It's a matter of remaining steadfast. When we are all working toward the same goal together-get out of the way or get ran over.

 

[Frank Szabo]

Now that we are back at the table, ( or are we?). How many of us are really willing to strike? I hope we find out.

Something that must be considered - there's a drive on to remove the TWU as our bargaining agent. I have serious doubts that's occurring because of the abundance trust we collectively hold for the TWU.

Striking isn't really an answer as ProAmt states. Hell - if one wants to do dirty deeds, you can't do it outside the gate anyway, but that's not an answer either - it gets people in trouble, gives the company a legitimate whine which isn't acceptable to our cause and generates negative publicity the Tulsa World loves to print re: unions.

We need a bargaining agent not, in effect, owned by the company. If that should fail, then striking may be an option, but this game was rigged from the onset and any strike at this point would simply play into someone else's contingency plans, leaving us high and dry.

 

[Strake]

I really don't understand your logic. Are you saying you would like to strike? I don't think anybody wants a strike, but if we are forced to, then that is what we must do.

Here's where I'm coming from...

We have turned down the T.A.

The company starts to contract out more work.

The company decides there are too many heads and has a layoff.

They slide a T.A. across the table back at us worse than the one we turned down.

Yes, In this case I hope we strike. Do we? I doubt it.

We accept it because now we're scared.... Just sayin.... History does a have a way of repeating itself here at AA.....

I don't think the company is going to lay down just because we rejected this T.A.. We will be tested. Are we up to it?

We shall see.

 

[toroshark]

Here's where I'm coming from...

We have turned down the T.A.

The company starts to contract out more work.

The company decides there are too many heads and has a layoff.

They slide a T.A. across the table back at us worse than the one we turned down.

Yes, In this case I hope we strike. Do we? I doubt it.

We accept it because now we're scared.... Just sayin.... History does a have a way of repeating itself here at AA.....

I don't think the company is going to lay down just because we rejected this T.A.. We will be tested. Are we up to it?

We shall see.

The question is "are you sick of eating shiite sandwiches?". Just keep sending them back to the kitchen till they bring you something edible.

 

[olderguyAMT]

Strike is an outdated strategy. There are more effective methods available to insure an agreement that all sides can be satisfied with other than strike or even the threat of strike. I believe a strike is an indication that all sides have failed.

Strike- a word the TWU International uses to scare its sheep into mindlessly voting yes.

I honestly believe we will end up with a good contract and then we can begin to work together in ensure American and its maintenance are second to none.

It's a matter of remaining steadfast. When we are all working toward the same goal together-get out of the way or get ran over.

Yes, I agree/

Nobody wants a strike now. We just want a fair deal, and to be recognized and rewarded for helping Mgmt run the base. Why can't they pay us consulting fees, like they pay Overland Rec. and RLG? We have the accomplishments and they get the money. Another crappy deal.

And now that the crappy TA is off the table, well some of it anyway. The bad parts I hope.

the real negotiations can begin. and the pressure is on the Co. big time, with a big-time wake up call.


Don V upset? He made his own mess, now is stepping in it. Nobody else can clean his boots now, as it's all his fault, right?
Can he even see his boots?

 

[comatose]

Yes, I agree/

Nobody wants a strike now. We just want a fair deal, and to be recognized and rewarded for helping Mgmt run the base. Why can't they pay us consulting fees, like they pay Overland Rec. and RLG? We have the accomplishments and they get the money. Another crappy deal.

And now that the crappy TA is off the table, well some of it anyway. The bad parts I hope.

the real negotiations can begin. and the pressure is on the Co. big time, with a big-time wake up call.


Don V upset? He made his own mess, now is stepping in it. Nobody else can clean his boots now, as it's all his fault, right?
Can he even see his boots?

If you were the company and the union was in bed with you, how would it be possible to pay off the Int'l to sell a POS TA without it showing up on the LM-10? Consultants

 

[TIME FOR CHANGE]

http://www.forbes.com/2010/08/25/amr-american-airlines-markets-equities-labor.html?partner=yahootix

The stock stumbles as mechanics of flagship airline of AMR ( AMR - news - people ), American Airlines, rejected its contract offer, and authorized their union to take actions, possibly leading to a strike. AMR's labor force is has long been a problem for the company. "AMR has the most inefficient labor force in the industry based on employees per seat mile," says Basili Alukos, analyst at Morningstar.

 

[ord96]

How could labor be a problem for the company given the contracts we've had??? And the concessions we took, or better yet given. Labor has help make it possible for management to devy up the bonuses!!! The writer's should do a little research before printing their columns.

 

[1AA]

Aint gonna happen. The TWU and AA will settle so they can move on to the pilots and flight attendants.
A Strike is non existent. We should all know that by now. The TWU does not even have a strike fund.
This thread should be for entertainment purpose only.

 

[Duke787]

http://www.forbes.com/2010/08/25/amr-american-airlines-markets-equities-labor.html?partner=yahootix

The stock stumbles as mechanics of flagship airline of AMR ( AMR - news - people ), American Airlines, rejected its contract offer, and authorized their union to take actions, possibly leading to a strike. AMR's labor force is has long been a problem for the company. "AMR has the most inefficient labor force in the industry based on employees per seat mile," says Basili Alukos, analyst at Morningstar.

I don't see that as a labor problem, but a lack mismanagement problem. It was obvious to all of us on the floor that the Boston Consulting group ideas were a waste of time and money.

 

[Bob Owens]

I don't see that as a labor problem, but a lack mismanagement problem. It was obvious to all of us on the floor that the Boston Consulting group ideas were a waste of time and money.

Is there really a labor productivity problem? The fact is that AA has seen a dramatic improvement in productivity, and a real one. Other carriers achieved higher rates of productivity gains per worker by sending the work out, the work still has to be done but its no longer considered a labor cost, so productivity wasnt really improved, the costs were simply transferred creating an illusion of a productivity gain. They pay an outside company to do it and those companies most certainly do it for profit, profit that comes at the expense of the airline. Some are already trying to bring more work back in house, UALs total maint costs went up when they outsourced. So in reality its impossible to say whether those workers are more productive, the operation has changed. The numbers are there but they really dont mean much. Whereas at AA we have actually brought in more work and did it with less people, thats a real productivity gain.

There's one simple fact, if you are not willing to strike you will not get anything. How do you think working people achieved middle class living standards? They did it by being willing to do whatever is neccissary to get their fair share. Granted its the last option but it must be an option.

As workers we should expect more and more such tripe from the corporate media. Mike Quill hit it on the head 50 years ago and you can hear him speak of it in the Quill-Hartley debate on Youtube. He said flat out that the press is against us because the press owned by the rich. That still hasnt changed, in fact its worse now than ever before. Our media, led by Fox News is more like Pravda for the elites. Journalist have been replaced by propagandists.

I recall all of the media attention UPS was getting before Ron Carey took them on Strike. All the "experts" were telling all the reasons why the strike would fail, how UPS would find it easy to simply replace the strikers, how workers would flood across their own picket lines, and on and on, Then they started saying that UPS would never recover, that Fed Ex and other non-union carriers would would move in. They all had to eat crow when the IBT shut them down cold, and the IBT walked away with a good contract.

 

[FrequentFlierCA]

You know what strike talk does? It pushes people like me, people who pay thousands for premium tickets, to book on other airlines where there is no strike talk. Travel is a big part of my livelihood, and my time is very valuable. There's no way I'm going to chance missing an important client meeting because of a walkout. Now I'm savvy enough to know that I'm fine for now because of the NMB processes involved, but how many travelers are that tuned-in?

When you start losing bookings you lose revenue, further decreasing your odds of getting the raise you want. Then one day the execs pull the Chapter 11 lever and change the playing field entirely. I'm just trying to understand what could possibly be gained by walking out.

 

[enough already]

You know what strike talk does? It pushes people like me, people who pay thousands for premium tickets, to book on other airlines where there is no strike talk. Travel is a big part of my livelihood, and my time is very valuable. There's no way I'm going to chance missing an important client meeting because of a walkout. Now I'm savvy enough to know that I'm fine for now because of the NMB processes involved, but how many travelers are that tuned-in?

When you start losing bookings you lose revenue, further decreasing your odds of getting the raise you want. Then one day the execs pull the Chapter 11 lever and change the playing field entirely. I'm just trying to understand what could possibly be gained by walking out.

Why don't you go ahead and start by booking on another forum? We, that actually work as mech, would be thrilled... B)