SPONTANIOUS COMBUSTION
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CIO may or may not have been injured in an accident.
I do not agree with turning a misfortune into a proxy fight concerning AMFA v. the TWU. I think anyone that has experienced the aftermath of human loss to fire, just once, would agree.
The TWU will flame out on their own, keep the high road and keep the TWU on their record(s):
1) "Begun by a terrorist, turned Communist, turned opportunist...the more things change, the more they remain the same."
2) "They never met a concession they didn't like...as long as it kept up the dues."
3) "We'll Get'em Next Time!"
4) "Without Further Ratification."
5) "Brother, They Can Do That."
6) "TWU Limbo: No One Knows How Low We're Willing To GO!"
I do not agree with turning a misfortune into a proxy fight concerning AMFA v. the TWU. I think anyone that has experienced the aftermath of human loss to fire, just once, would agree.
The TWU will flame out on their own, keep the high road and keep the TWU on their record(s):
1) "Begun by a terrorist, turned Communist, turned opportunist...the more things change, the more they remain the same."
2) "They never met a concession they didn't like...as long as it kept up the dues."
3) "We'll Get'em Next Time!"
4) "Without Further Ratification."
5) "Brother, They Can Do That."
6) "TWU Limbo: No One Knows How Low We're Willing To GO!"
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Thanks and you'all have a Great Day!!!!
I need a good Laugh!!!!!!!
I need a good Laugh!!!!!!!
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Have you ever considered promoting AMFA on AMFA's assets instead of negativity of the incumbant union. Is there a reason you don't? I think there is. You never praise AMFA, wonder why.Boomer said:
Stop the Bus..I Want Off!!
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Here's another good laugh for ya RAT patrol. The Horizon mechanics sent the twu PACKING by only a few votes. When they heard about the BAD STANDING trials, that turned quite a few people away from the twu. What I'm trying to say is, your RAT ways have helped the AMFA movement!! You might say your an AMFA organizer and don't even know it!!!!!!Checking it Out said:
Have a great AMFA day!!!!!!!!!!
Keep the Faith.........AMFA NOW!!!!!!!!!
It could be because there is just so much negative stuff with the TWU that its overwhelming.Nightwatch said:
Its like Bush. In a few months the election cycle will go into high gear. Do you think the TWU will spend the majority of the time talking about Kerry's merits or Bush's faults?
The merits of AMFA have been repeatedly cited. However not cited as much are the possibilities with AMFA, the possibilities of having the majority of A&Ps in one union, a union that is accountable to the members and actually wants to promote the profession, not just make up excuses for degrading it.
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It could be that the attributes of AMFA are small in number. It could be that the organizers of AMFA are the worst representation of AMFA. It could be a number of things, but it doesn't change the fact that when you sling mud you lose ground.Bob Owens said:
You speak of possibilities, of what. If we are going to dream then make it good. I can also state of the possibilities of the TWU, but I would rather deal in facts and history. With the TWU I have employment, not BK with AMFA.
It could be that the attributes of AMFA are small in number.
Could be, but are the scales more even? Granted AMFA has less of a track record but the balance so far is with the positives. Its like making a choice between a virgin and a prostitute.
It could be that the organizers of AMFA are the worst representation of AMFA.
Could be. So when we go AMFA you dont have to vote for them, you can select someone who you think is better.
It could be a number of things, but it doesn't change the fact that when you sling mud you lose ground.
Well thats what you say. Tell that to Dukakis. Tell that to all those politicians who have won elections slinging mud. Are you saying that there is no mud slinging going on in Tulsa? If the incumbant made the mess then why shouldnt he get hit with it? Whether we "sling mud" or not, I suppose that your mind is made up anyway.
You speak of possibilities, of what.
Well do you really want me to into that? If I do you will only then complain that I write too much and am looking for attention. You claim that you have read my posts, I'm sure I mentioned some of the possibilities of having all the mechanics in one union before.
If we are going to dream then make it good. I can also state of the possibilities of the TWU, but I would rather deal in facts and history. With the TWU I have employment, not BK with AMFA.
So I guess that you admitting that the facts and history dictate that with the TWU there are no possibilities other than more concessions or job loss?
Could be, but are the scales more even? Granted AMFA has less of a track record but the balance so far is with the positives. Its like making a choice between a virgin and a prostitute.
It could be that the organizers of AMFA are the worst representation of AMFA.
Could be. So when we go AMFA you dont have to vote for them, you can select someone who you think is better.
It could be a number of things, but it doesn't change the fact that when you sling mud you lose ground.
Well thats what you say. Tell that to Dukakis. Tell that to all those politicians who have won elections slinging mud. Are you saying that there is no mud slinging going on in Tulsa? If the incumbant made the mess then why shouldnt he get hit with it? Whether we "sling mud" or not, I suppose that your mind is made up anyway.
You speak of possibilities, of what.
Well do you really want me to into that? If I do you will only then complain that I write too much and am looking for attention. You claim that you have read my posts, I'm sure I mentioned some of the possibilities of having all the mechanics in one union before.
If we are going to dream then make it good. I can also state of the possibilities of the TWU, but I would rather deal in facts and history. With the TWU I have employment, not BK with AMFA.
So I guess that you admitting that the facts and history dictate that with the TWU there are no possibilities other than more concessions or job loss?
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So you guessed wrong, proving again you are beaten.
Nightwatch Posted on Jun 28 2004, 03:25 AM
Have you ever considered promoting AMFA on AMFA's assets instead of negativity of the incumbant union. Is there a reason you don't? I think there is. You never praise AMFA, wonder why
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As the process draws on and the TWU becomes more desparate; look for the following tactics as the TWU attempts to derail the freedom express:Construction of Logical Arguments
Nightwatch,
The TWU Constitution states that the Membership is the supreme ruling authority but states in Court, under oath, that the International Owns the contract, not the Members and that they, the TWU International, are free to amend or ratify agreements at will.
My decision to take part in the ouster of the TWU at AA is based on their failure to maintain a leadership position with respect to wages and working conditions in the Aviation Industry. This Union cannot claim the highest industry wage, the best benefits, or the best working conditions for the Maintenance & Related Class and Craft.
Unions were designed to fight for the improvement of wages and working conditions for their members. We have lost wages and our working conditions have worsened: ergo, the services of the TWU are no longer desired.
The TWU is affiliated with the AFL-CIO. The AFL-CIO requires, as a condition of affiliation, that no AFL-CIO affiliate Union can wage a representational dispute with another AFL-CIO affiliate Union.
Having been prevented from voting on the Union of Preference by the collusion of the TWU and AA; I am unable to say how great AMFA would be on the property.
The fact is that the TWU COULD HAVE argued that no Fleet Service Clerk should be part of the Maintenance & Related. There is no law requiring any Union to agree with any aspect of a previous decision they deem inccorect. The fact that AA and the TWU both fought MY ABILITY to vote is reason enough for their ouster.
Have you ever considered promoting AMFA on AMFA's assets instead of negativity of the incumbant union. Is there a reason you don't? I think there is. You never praise AMFA, wonder why
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As the process draws on and the TWU becomes more desparate; look for the following tactics as the TWU attempts to derail the freedom express:Construction of Logical Arguments
Nightwatch,
The TWU Constitution states that the Membership is the supreme ruling authority but states in Court, under oath, that the International Owns the contract, not the Members and that they, the TWU International, are free to amend or ratify agreements at will.
My decision to take part in the ouster of the TWU at AA is based on their failure to maintain a leadership position with respect to wages and working conditions in the Aviation Industry. This Union cannot claim the highest industry wage, the best benefits, or the best working conditions for the Maintenance & Related Class and Craft.
Unions were designed to fight for the improvement of wages and working conditions for their members. We have lost wages and our working conditions have worsened: ergo, the services of the TWU are no longer desired.
The TWU is affiliated with the AFL-CIO. The AFL-CIO requires, as a condition of affiliation, that no AFL-CIO affiliate Union can wage a representational dispute with another AFL-CIO affiliate Union.
Having been prevented from voting on the Union of Preference by the collusion of the TWU and AA; I am unable to say how great AMFA would be on the property.
The fact is that the TWU COULD HAVE argued that no Fleet Service Clerk should be part of the Maintenance & Related. There is no law requiring any Union to agree with any aspect of a previous decision they deem inccorect. The fact that AA and the TWU both fought MY ABILITY to vote is reason enough for their ouster.
OH, OH, OH!!!!!! Can I answer that NW????? PLEEEEEEEEASE?????Nightwatch said:
IT BECAUSE THEY HAVE NOTHING TO GO ON!!!!!! AMFA HAS NO ASSETS!!!! HELL, THEY CAN'T EVEN KEEP THERE WORKFORCE IN TACT! FAMOUS LAST WORDS. . .BANKRUPTCY IS THE BETTER WAY TO GO!!!!
What a joke!!!!
Bill,
UAL was represented by the IAM when they went into BK, and the ATSB, denial NUMBER ONE, was predicated on the IAM Accepting the concessions but denied to an inadequate business plan on the part of UAL Mgt.
The NWA outsourcing Letter of Agreement was negotiated by the IAM prior to AMFA taking over. AMFA actually reduced the contractual limit on outsourcing to 38% of all maintenance spending.
At US Airways, the IAM had previously performed ALL heavy mx. Now they are in a toss-up battle to keep it. Many Industry Insiders predict that even if the IAM wins Arbitration, US Air will simply declare BK and outsource the heavy under 1113 of the BK Code. All without an AMFA drive to blame it on!
The answer to my question, addressed to Nightwatch, was why the TWU and AA conspired to make ramp guys part of a job they never performed. There was NO LEGAL REQUIREMENT for them to make that statement; but, they did.
Why is the TWU so afraid of Democracy?
Why is the TWU so afraid of allowing Title I, Title II and Title IV Mechanics the choice in a fair, Government Audited Vote?
Why is our Government willing to expend billions and thousands of lives giving democracy to others but denying it to US Citizens?
Why is the TWU more like the Fedayeen Sadam than the US Government?
No Vote, No Peace!
UAL was represented by the IAM when they went into BK, and the ATSB, denial NUMBER ONE, was predicated on the IAM Accepting the concessions but denied to an inadequate business plan on the part of UAL Mgt.
The NWA outsourcing Letter of Agreement was negotiated by the IAM prior to AMFA taking over. AMFA actually reduced the contractual limit on outsourcing to 38% of all maintenance spending.
At US Airways, the IAM had previously performed ALL heavy mx. Now they are in a toss-up battle to keep it. Many Industry Insiders predict that even if the IAM wins Arbitration, US Air will simply declare BK and outsource the heavy under 1113 of the BK Code. All without an AMFA drive to blame it on!
The answer to my question, addressed to Nightwatch, was why the TWU and AA conspired to make ramp guys part of a job they never performed. There was NO LEGAL REQUIREMENT for them to make that statement; but, they did.
Why is the TWU so afraid of Democracy?
Why is the TWU so afraid of allowing Title I, Title II and Title IV Mechanics the choice in a fair, Government Audited Vote?
Why is our Government willing to expend billions and thousands of lives giving democracy to others but denying it to US Citizens?
Why is the TWU more like the Fedayeen Sadam than the US Government?
No Vote, No Peace!
Nightwatch Posted on Jun 27 2004, 01:57 PM
Have you ever considered promoting AMFA on AMFA's assets instead of negativity of the incumbant union. Is there a reason you don't? I think there is. You never praise AMFA, wonder why.
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Nightwatch,
Tell me what you know about the BWI/CLE Arbitration Case and the positions of the TWU and AA?
Have you ever considered promoting AMFA on AMFA's assets instead of negativity of the incumbant union. Is there a reason you don't? I think there is. You never praise AMFA, wonder why.
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Nightwatch,
Tell me what you know about the BWI/CLE Arbitration Case and the positions of the TWU and AA?
