rally and picket at DOJ with all unions and employees

[freedom]

I read these post from US employees about supporting the company and petitioning the DOJ. IT MAKES ME WANT TO PUKE. Many of you think your not going to get laid off? PHX, you've already been told your going to be a focus city. What does that mean? Call LAS and ask them. The company doesn't support the worker's and if they did , we would be under a decent contract. Management in no way is going to let this company go under, So stop the pathetic, I love the company bullcrap and start supporting yourself and your fellow workers. WORK SAFE.

just because I want JOB security doesn't mean i'm a company puke , we've been working for what now , two years here in Fleet service without a cost of living increase , which means that EVERY year that passes we are actually taking a pay CUT ... I don't like this anymore than any of my fellow fleet service workers , and I whole heartedly believe that we should be protesting and picketing and working safe until we get a new contract ,

WITH THAT SAID .........

it is IMPERATIVE that we keep our eyes open and look at the future , it would be absolutely moronic to think that what affects that company as a whole doesn't affect us ....

This merger will help to provide lock solid job security to many of US Airway's employee's ... how can you company haters hate job security ? I just do not understand you people , your so short sighted it's ridiculous !

 

[robbedagain]

freedum youre the one who is very short sighted 2 yrs and you think its a flippin paycut.. last time i checked fsa got 2% raises last yr.... you dont understand us freedum bec you have never been thru what we been thru your good ole boy dougie the drunken donkey parker cares only about himself and the money he makes and getting the investors their money with this merger the govt put a huge delay in it for the time being... in the mean time he has never gotten the contracts solved such as fleet maintaince customer service and of course look at the pilots debacle crap some 8 yrs after wards i will not at all support the merger til we get contracts

 

[ograc]

just because I want JOB security doesn't mean i'm a company puke , we've been working for what now , two years here in Fleet service without a cost of living increase , which means that EVERY year that passes we are actually taking a pay CUT ... I don't like this anymore than any of my fellow fleet service workers , and I whole heartedly believe that we should be protesting and picketing and working safe until we get a new contract ,

WITH THAT SAID .........

it is IMPERATIVE that we keep our eyes open and look at the future , it would be absolutely moronic to think that what affects that company as a whole doesn't affect us ....

This merger will help to provide lock solid job security to many of US Airway's employee's ... how can you company haters hate job security ? I just do not understand you people , your so short sighted it's ridiculous !

Freedom,
You assume and want all of us to believe that a merger will translate into job security for the Fleet Service. Historically, it's quite the contrary. Mergers result in what the company calls "synergies". Cost savings that are passed on to the shareholders and Executives. Historically, "synergies" as a result of a merger, are accomplished with job elimination. Again you continue to support an agenda that will result in job elimination of who knows how many Fleet Service agents. You claim to have learned from past mistakes regarding contract agreements. IMO... you have learned nothing. Your opinion and position is duly noted and duly ignored.

 

[bunt3dunk]

let this merger die and get a management team that wants to grow our company , Parker and Kirby should leave and lets get someone who cares about US Airways.

 

[psa8979]

freedom. Give your self some credit WE don't see you as Company Puke . WE as IAM/TWU Union Members see you as a Company Man. Or, as some on the Forum have speculated you are a Manager at LCC with to much time on your hands and assigned to reporting to DP what is being said on A/F ? WE 'LL have zero control on what the Lawyers and Courts on both sides of this MERGER will or won't decide or agree to . Picketing the DOJ and supporting DP and his LCC/AMR Group will not make any difference in the outcome. Negotiating in good faith and CONTRACTS for ALL at LCC would be the best way to promote positive attitudes for a merger and SOLIDARITY !

 

[freedom]

freedom. Give your self some credit WE don't see you as Company Puke . WE as IAM/TWU Union Members see you as a Company Man. Or, as some on the Forum have speculated you are a Manager at LCC with to much time on your hands and assigned to reporting to DP what is being said on A/F ? WE 'LL have zero control on what the Lawyers and Courts on both sides of this MERGER will or won't decide or agree to . Picketing the DOJ and supporting DP and his LCC/AMR Group will not make any difference in the outcome. Negotiating in good faith and CONTRACTS for ALL at LCC would be the best way to promote positive attitudes for a merger and SOLIDARITY !

ah you got me ! i'm actually a manager and I report directly to Doug Parker himself ... everyday at the close of business we meet up at a local bar and I give him details on what each one of you are doing here on the internets

 

[freedom]

Freedom,
You assume and want all of us to believe that a merger will translate into job security for the Fleet Service. Historically, it's quite the contrary. Mergers result in what the company calls "synergies". Cost savings that are passed on to the shareholders and Executives. Historically, "synergies" as a result of a merger, are accomplished with job elimination. Again you continue to support an agenda that will result in job elimination of who knows how many Fleet Service agents. You claim to have learned from past mistakes regarding contract agreements. IMO... you have learned nothing. Your opinion and position is duly noted and duly ignored.

Job losses ? this company has promised to try and save jobs in this merger , they've come out publicly by saying this merger will SAVE jobs ...

I won't deny that In the past we have seen many jobs cut down as the company has consolidate it's position , but we've also seen many new jobs open up , I know a few guys who've transferred over to DCA ..

These times we're living in are just SO different i honestly don't think you can compare what's happening now to what's normally happened over the last 30 years ... people are just so dirt poor and getting more poor by the day that we have to be aware of the changing economy around us ...

We need to be sure and protect fleet service jobs , but we can't go into a turtle shell and pretend that by drawing inward we will be protected ... That's simply not the case , we MUST expand , we must grow bigger and more politically powerful as a company ..

i don't know about those of you who live in other parts of the country , but in my neck of the woods in see poverty increasing , i see middle class people starting to cut back ... Sooner or later these trends WILL affect our industry ...

 

[A320 Driver]

let this merger die and get a management team that wants to grow our company , Parker and Kirby should leave and lets get someone who cares about US Airways.

Are you kidding? You really don't understand how this works, do you? We've just gotten this industry to a point where capacity is in line with demand so we all can turn a profit, and now you want to increase capacity again?

 

[WorldTraveler]

Are you kidding? You really don't understand how this works, do you? We've just gotten this industry to a point where capacity is in line with demand so we all can turn a profit, and now you want to increase capacity again?

who is the WE you reference? It SURELY isn't US which has been far more aggressive at adding capacity and pricing it below levels of its peers.

You do realize that is part of why the DOJ is opposing this merger, don't you? US set itself up as a bottom feeder and adding more capacity than its peers in order to keep its cost down; the only way it can end that strategy is to acquire another carrier that has higher revenue generating capacity... US just happened to say enough that became public that the DOJ now knows that the motivation for the merger is to cut capacity and raise fares, which is why they call it uncompetitive.

 

[Phoenix]

who is the WE you reference? It SURELY isn't US which has been far more aggressive at adding capacity and pricing it below levels of its peers.

You do realize that is part of why the DOJ is opposing this merger, don't you? US set itself up as a bottom feeder and adding more capacity than its peers in order to keep its cost down; the only way it can end that strategy is to acquire another carrier that has higher revenue generating capacity... US just happened to say enough that became public that the DOJ now knows that the motivation for the merger is to cut capacity and raise fares, which is why they call it uncompetitive.

Umm, ok. So you are saying US has been so effective at competing (undercutting the larger competition) that the DOJ is afraid of losing such a vital competitor, i.e. said USAirways. Yeah, if USAirways were allowed to transform themselves by becoming bigger then their new ability to compete would be "uncompetitive".

Nonetheless, does anyone find it odd that the DOJ is attacking Doug Parker to block AA's exit from bankruptcy (and it seems you are to WT)? Is the issue AA's POR, or is it Doug Parker?

 

[Black Magic]

who is the WE you reference? It SURELY isn't US which has been far more aggressive at adding capacity and pricing it below levels of its peers.

You do realize that is part of why the DOJ is opposing this merger, don't you? US set itself up as a bottom feeder and adding more capacity than its peers in order to keep its cost down; the only way it can end that strategy is to acquire another carrier that has higher revenue generating capacity... US just happened to say enough that became public that the DOJ now knows that the motivation for the merger is to cut capacity and raise fares, which is why they call it uncompetitive.

Please...when DL/NW merger happened did it cut capacity, raise fares, and eliminate competition?? Please check box yes or no. Better yet don't...nobody wants to hear another blowhard sidestepping answer from you.

 

[WorldTraveler]

DL said they wouldn't cut capacity but ended up doing it after fuel prices rose. The DOJ so far has never said whether they considered that an acceptable reason to cut capacity.
But let's also keep in mind that WN closed 15 former FL cities.

The DOJ has said it isn't happy with the results of former consolidation efforts. What parts of it they find unacceptable, they didn't say. But the fact that DL and WN have been most aggressive at cutting capacity can't be ignored and I never have said the DOT was.

The DOJ is not after Parker. And no I am not against AA's emergence.

The DOJ is objecting to the merger, and what it sees as uncompetitive about it and not any POR or any person.

 

[Black Magic]

DL said they wouldn't cut capacity but ended up doing it after fuel prices rose. The DOJ so far has never said whether they considered that an acceptable reason to cut capacity.
But let's also keep in mind that WN closed 15 former FL cities.

The DOJ has said it isn't happy with the results of former consolidation efforts. What parts of it they find unacceptable, they didn't say. But the fact that DL and WN have been most aggressive at cutting capacity can't be ignored and I never have said the DOT was.

The DOJ is not after Parker. And no I am not against AA's emergence.

The DOJ is objecting to the merger, and what it sees as uncompetitive about it and not any POR or any person.

Yep to you a merger should be allowed for Delta and hell with all the other companies. Blaming Delta's cut capacity on fuel rather than the merger is the typical company schmoozing lying answer. Its widely known you are nothing more than a Delta loudmouth spokesperson, hence the reason you are highly active on all these forums as of late because you know that if AA/US merge it will tear DL a new one.

 

[WorldTraveler]

If the DOJ believes that DL violated the law, they obviously could fine them... and they could go back and force changes after the fact.

The simple fact is that fuel DID go up dramatically and there are real, economic reasons why demand decreases when prices rise which they had to do to cover the increased cost of jet fuel.

You can take it up with the DOJ if you think DL was at fault.

You can also ask them what action they are going to take against WN who closed cities which they never disclosed to the DOJ or DOT they could not support with their cost structure. I posted years ago that FL's network could not be sustained at WN's cost level and yet people didn't get it then.

No, I am active on this board because I understand the dynamics of the airline industry and because Doug Parker has trotted out one failed strategy after another. He tried to take over DL by promising to cut capacity, only to be told by lawmakers his merger would never fly. Then he traded one-quarter of the slots at LGA for 1/3 of the number of slots at DCA along with cash that was far less than market value plus a GRU slot which DL knew could be replaced in the next route case, which has happened. Now, he sends an email apparently to DL's CEO telling him he doesn't like the fact that DL is offering triple miles with that email now ending up as public record.
It isn't DL who has caused US the heartache it faces; it is Parker himself.

US has had plenty of opportunities to rip DL a new one but has screwed up one attempt after another and it is DL who is taking larger and larger portions of US' business travel. DL is competing on the bases the DOJ expects them to.

Your real fear is that DL will redouble its efforts to add routes in key US markets.... who would have thought they would go after RDU-PHL? Isn't that the US market that DL is adding service in, undoubtedly to win over a corporate contract.

And yes, the DOJ very much has told US that they have painted themselves into a corner of being a bottom feeder that is throwing capacity into the market and then undercutting its competitors. Companies can change their pricing strategies at any time but they cannot write emails saying they will raise prices and reduce capacity as part of a merger. US built its post-BK business strategy on an unsustainable practice of undercutting capacity and the DOJ is perfectly legal to tell them they cannot merge with a company while at the same time saying they will end that strategy.

If US understood antitrust laws, they would have stopped their Advantage Fare program long before the merger attempt and slowed their capacity. Of course their costs would have gone up and their profits probably would have gone down but they cannot expect the DOJ to approve a merger based on using the merger to undo a strategy that US defined as unsustainable.

As much as you or anyone else wants to argue otherwise, that is the largest portion of the DOJ's complaint and it cannot be rectified without reregulating pricing in the airline industry.

 

[Phoenix]

Yep to you a merger should be allowed for Delta and hell with all the other companies. Blaming Delta's cut capacity on fuel rather than the merger is the typical company schmoozing lying answer. Its widely known you are nothing more than a Delta loudmouth spokesperson, hence the reason you are highly active on all these forums as of late because you know that if AA/US merge it will tear DL a new one.

Now you did it. Calling him a loud mouth. Just imagine how verbose the ongoing defense will need to be.