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UseYourHead
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MWiess,mweiss said:
The next chapter to CAL...after they SURVIVED, is that they have once again prospered. You have to get through the rough times for that to happen. In fact, after spending time at PeopleExpress, I would be at CAL today if I would not have migrated to us in late 1985....
Things were bad there...VERY BAD during those years. I NEVER would have guessed they would be where they are today. The other morning in Madrid, I see that they were named "International Airline of the Year" beating out BA, Cathay, Singapore, and so on.
Could good things happen here?
ABSOLUTELY
You may have thought that, and many do, but, as I mentioned here, the evidence doesn't support the claim.PITbull said:
The product consists of several components. The customer wants to:
1) Arrive at the destination alive
2) Arrive at the destination on time
3) Arrive at the destination with all luggage
4) Get there inexpensively
5) Get there quickly
6) Get there comfortably
7) Have an overall pleasant time getting there
Different airlines offer different levels of those seven factors (though I doubt any can stay in business for long without taking care of factor #1). People have proven to be willing to forgo some of #4 in exchange for more in the other factors (strong emphasis on the word "some"). The airlines that strike the best balances among those factors get the most business.
True enough. I held CO's top elite status from 1994 through 2002, and am intimately acquainted with their story. They would not have succeeded had they stayed on the path they were on. They succeeded in part because they started to focus on the customer again, instead of just cutting costs. Similarly, US cannot succeed by just focusing on the cost side of the ledger.UseYourHead said:
She has suggested that her focus is on putting up a blockade of sorts. To act as the dam holding back the flood of lower wages industry-wide. Even if it means sacrificing US's PIT FAs to do it.RWerksman said:
In whose best interests does such a position ultimately work?
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mweiss,mweiss said:
I'll answer that!
What the heck....where do you get off making these assumptions...blockade of sorts? Sacrificing PIT f/as? You live in a democracy, charlie brown. I think you think we are living in managment's world of totlitarianism, dictatorship, and mind altering retorhic of feeding folks how worthless they are and they won't ever get any employment after U, because all things are centered around U, in an attempt to ultimately control their behavior and their vote.
What did you go and do? Put all your money in the stock last year?
A scientific poll was conducted. Do you know what that means?
Assumptions? I'm just basing it on what I have heard her say. She believes that AFA members need to hold the line in order to protect FA wages industry-wide, or so I have read in her own words.
Have you heard differently?
And, no, there's no way I would ever consider tossing my money into airline stock. At least not until some major changes happen in the industry.
Have you heard differently?
And, no, there's no way I would ever consider tossing my money into airline stock. At least not until some major changes happen in the industry.
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Well, if you have been focused on HER WRITING, you would gather that she speaks for the collective voices in PIT whom she represents, NOT the other way around. Or did you miss that ?mweiss said:
You didn't answer the question...Do you know what a scientific poll is and how it is conducted?
First of all, I find it hard to believe that the majority of US PIT FAs are interested in being martyrs, unless there is some form of strong leadership behind it. AFA representation is a two-way street.
Secondly, I assumed your scientific survey question was rhetorical. You know very well that I know about scientific polls and how they are conducted. Why pretend you don't?
Secondly, I assumed your scientific survey question was rhetorical. You know very well that I know about scientific polls and how they are conducted. Why pretend you don't?
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Mweiss,
You know that a sceitific poll was conducted. You act like f/as in PIT who voted NO in the winter concessions last year, would have changed their minds, because why? Life has been good while living these two restructuring agreements. You know that PIT f/as voted YES for the first restructuring agreement.
Just curious....
If you were a colonist back during the Revolutionary war, would you have fought for independence from Great Britain, or would you have complained that its only over tea tax?
If you were on the bus during the 60's would you have agreed with Rosa Parks, or would you have taken your place in th back of the bus?
You know that a sceitific poll was conducted. You act like f/as in PIT who voted NO in the winter concessions last year, would have changed their minds, because why? Life has been good while living these two restructuring agreements. You know that PIT f/as voted YES for the first restructuring agreement.
Just curious....
If you were a colonist back during the Revolutionary war, would you have fought for independence from Great Britain, or would you have complained that its only over tea tax?
If you were on the bus during the 60's would you have agreed with Rosa Parks, or would you have taken your place in th back of the bus?
First, let me say that I really enjoy some of your posts. I find you to be an intelligent, thoughtful man.mweiss said:
In this case though, I really don’t know where you are coming from. I have picked up nothing about a blockage of sorts, and throwing her constituents under the bus.
I see a tough, determined person who tries her best to be an embodiment of her people. I see someone who is distrustful of management for good reason. I see someone who is very matter-of-fact. I see someone in a very, very tough position.
In this position, I feel she is doing the best job she can -- especially when it comes to matching rhetoric with rhetoric to maintain a position with some sort of leverage. (I'll match your "bankruptcy" with a "my people say shut up" -- now can we talk?)
I honestly wish her the best of luck with getting an agreement. (or lack thereof should it be absolutely, positively necessary)
