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[pitguy]

Industry Observer,

The young guys are gone. They laid them all off. Soon you and I will join them. I am ready are you?

How will you feel when they want to cut your pension or do away with your medical when you are retired? Remeber the guys with 15 to 18 years control the vote. You may be the one sold out.

Best wishes.


--Are you an Industry Observer or an Industry Worker? I hope you are not one that 'observes' others working when you should be working too.

 

[UseYourHead]

LOL....cowardly? You're cute... Hmm, I hear a tinge of desperation, "the USA320 syndrome abounds".

There IS no future for f/as, if they can not sustain themselves or their families. If left to management, it would be the demise of a profession, and reduced to a supplemental employment "just for kicks".

Its one thing when a mangement team brings forward a rational proposal that's attainable, (especially round #3 in 18 months); its an entirely different matter when they bring forward an expectation that would literally abrogate agreements WITHOUT BK. So, what's the difference?

PitBull,

Just because I disagree with you, does not make me desperate...so lets move past that crap.

As far as FAs that cannot sustain themselves, is that a fact? Is that now, before any changes? Or is that what you spin for the future?

In the absence of US Airways, many folks here will start anew at say jetBlue (assuming they even get an interview-then get hired), at starting pay and bottom seniority. Are you suggesting that they would be better off starting over, rather than keeping there position here at similar pay and working conditions?

Lets focus on the issues, and not the management conspiracy theory rhetoric. The industry is tanking, our jobs are under pressure, we will morph into something that can survive, or we will go away, it is that simple.

Are you suggesting the thing to do is shut it down so we can all collect unemployment vs. quitting?

 

[pitguy]

UseYourHead,

Are you suggesting that we work for starvation wages? Do you really think the work enviroment will improve? Do you think it will be over? Do you think this place won't be sold and you lost in the mix? All you will do is make others wealthy. Refuse to be the pawn. Do not fear the unknown. If you stay here your future will be more in doubt as it ever was before round #3.

 

[RWerksman]

And the PIT FAs "just saying no" hangs a BIG coward sign around your neck...yes, it is the easy way out, the spineless thing to do.

Cowardly would be giving into demands without a fight.

Standing by your guns is far from cowardly.


When the airline is effectively shut down by AFA's actions is the moment is start criticizing their actions. Bargaining is a play. The action generating this thread is just an act.

 

[firstamendment]

First,

The stance, by majority, is PIT's views. Like it, or lump it.

Pitbull
I love you, my dear. I am not against you...just challenging...you know me well enough!! You fight , my dear!!. I really do have alot of love and respect for you.
First

 

[PITbull]

Use Your Head,

I'm going to try very hard not to get myself thrown of this board...very, very hard...


Move past the crap???? My spin???

Labor does not make the decision to sale assets, to go into BK, or operate an airline, or create business plans. Management and the stakeholder is asking us as labor to sacrifice our livilihoods, our professions, our families, our future financial security for the sake and in exchange for a Low cost, little benefit employment.

You need to look in the mirror and ask yourself if you are and have been prepared for the stakeholder to take his money off the table (if he can get it out before the ATSB). If U transforms, all the legacy carriers will follow suit. They are watching.

You sit there in your cockpit and think that f/as and the rest of labor shouldn't even ponder the future concession. You're a fool and I won't waste my fingers on your wasteful morphed bull $%#@.

THE MAJORITY RULES THE DAY. Take all your nonsensicle logic and spin that! :angry:

 

[mweiss]

If U transforms, all the legacy carriers will follow suit. They are watching.

You say this repeatedly, but the more I think about it the less sense it makes. If US transforms and still fails (which is what you and most other employees have suggested will happen, and I tend to agree), why on earth would anyone else want to follow in US's footsteps?

If US jumped off a cliff and died, would all of the other legacy carriers follow the failed business plan like lemmings? If so, then they all deserve to die.

 

[PITbull]

mweiss,

I am NOT one of the posters that has said U won't succeed with their additional sought out cost savings. You have me confused.... What I have said...is the employees won't survive it.

If U succeeds in BK THEIR employees financially to subsidize the lowering of fares and an inefficient business model, there doesn't even need to be a business plan. They will make money. Period. This is a "once in a life time" opportunity to kill unions in the entire industry, maybe all industries. If USAirways succeeds in taking an additional $1.5 billion in cost reductions, they would have cut costs (in total) $3.5 billion not including the Bankruptcy trip and screwing Pittsburgh leases in the process including the pilots rich pension. How much do you need to succeed?
Hell, they hired union busters for this concession as consultants to SIT at the bargaining table.

If I owned a bakery and told the employees that at the end of every night, if there are baked goods left, they will have to purchase them. In return, they have a job to come to tomorrow hoping for a better day.....I believe I would ensure my profit, even if my employees went broke purchasing the bakery at the end of the day of what was left and wasn't sold.

Great plan, huh? Hey, at least as an employer, I would offer the employees the opportunity to have medical benefits, even if they could barely afford it...I'd even give them a group rate (like U) and set the premium yearly...yea, that's the ticket.


You want logic? There you have it!

 

[UseYourHead]

If U transforms, all the legacy carriers will follow suit. They are watching.

PitBull,

Getting a bit emotional tonight?

PitBull wrote:
>If U transforms, all the legacy carriers will follow suit. They are watching.<

Bingo! It apprears that we are leading the trend right now. The industry is headed this way. If we are around, we will participate. If not, the other airlines will end up going there anyway.

So, you would rather burn this place to the ground, than keep emplyed at the average legacy/morphed airline, keeping your seniority?

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[PITbull]

Head,

You don't know "JACK" about me....

I invite you to take a trip to "Haites"! :angry:

 

[cavalier]

And the masses would be better off with your brilliance then, right?

Give give give give and give until it’s gone, that’s your answer.

You are obviously driven by pure fear of people like me/pitbull/pitguy and all others of any sanity.

 

[RWerksman]

You say this repeatedly, but the more I think about it the less sense it makes. If US transforms and still fails (which is what you and most other employees have suggested will happen, and I tend to agree), why on earth would anyone else want to follow in US's footsteps?

If U does transform and succeed, others will follow suit pretty close. If U transforms and fails, others will make a note of it and change in a different fashion.


The entire industry is watching and will change. How they change depends on U.

 

[PITbull]

If U does transform and succeed, others will follow suit pretty close. If U transforms and fails, others will make a note of it and change in a different fashion.


The entire industry is watching and will change. How they change depends on U.

Rwerkman,

Well said. You expressed this contention so much better than I.

 

[mweiss]

If U succeeds in BK THEIR employees financially to subsidize the lowering of fares and an inefficient business model, there doesn't even need to be a business plan. They will make money. Period.

I doubt it. They might be able to survive in the short term that way, but it's a similar path to the one CO was on in the late 80s and early 90s. The long-term result is an inferior product that customers will be unwilling to buy at even LCC prices.

 

[UseYourHead]

Head,

You don't know "JACK" about me....

I invite you to take a trip to "Haites"! :angry:

You are a public figure and therefore there is much to know about you...history in fact.

Having said that, I respect you as well...even if tonight we disagree. You R a union advocate, as am I, and any feather ruffling I have done tonight I hope is taken in context.

Good night