Pilot labor thread week 4/27-5/3

[EastUS]

I talked to the captain in question and he confirmed the events. Based on these instances he no longer allows east pilots on his jumpseat and I can't say I blame him.

"he confirmed the events" convinces me in not the slightest way, shape or form as to any truth being inherent in the claims, nor will I change my principles as to what properly constitutes a proper modicum of professional courtesy. Suit yourself as to your own actions....and kindly spare us all ANY further, clearly wholesale BS, about having ANY supposed "maturity". Imho:"I heard" isn't the slightest reason for any principled person to change their behavior, nor what they feel's the right thing to do. I've precious few spare hugs and kisses for your group at present...but; none will ever find themselves put out, nor insulted on any aircraft I've the priveledge to fly.

 

[ChuckBewFarley]

Eastus-

Doesn't the west get to elect or at least get to have their own representation?

Seems to me that ALPA asked the PHL reps for a pledge and you folks went ape $h!t over that saying how awful that was, your reps could support whom ever they wanted. Can't we do that now? Pot, met kettle.

St Bradford only wants 'loyal followers'. Seems to be a dictatorship, at least for 18 months.

As for the contract, the comments come from St Bradford and how easy this contract will be to negotiate.

I really thought you guys were going to be ready day one to usher in a new dawn of unionism. Not sure where the 'through the west under the bus' fits in that plan though. Remember, 'For ALL US Airways pilots.

 

[sharktooth]

Seems to me that ALPA asked the PHL reps for a pledge and you folks went ape $h!t over that saying how awful that was, your reps could support whom ever they wanted. Can't we do that now? Pot, met kettle.

St Bradford only wants 'loyal followers'.

Big difference. ALPA wanted a loyalty oath to the union. I am guessing USAPA wanted some assurance that one could accept the constitution, you know, the one the west pilots could have had made input to but did not.

It is like the difference between swearing fealty to a political party vs vowing to support and defend the Constitution.

As for the contract, the comments come from St Bradford and how easy this contract will be to negotiate.

Where and when? You heard it from Bradford directly? or gossip?

 

[nostradamus]

Eastus-



I really thought you guys were going to be ready day one to usher in a new dawn of unionism. Not sure where the 'through the west under the bus' fits in that plan though. Remember, 'For ALL US Airways pilots.

The PHX pilots are a little too busy to interview for USAPA jobs.

Phx US Airways pilot group welcomes United merger

 

[oldiebutgoody]

Eastus-

Doesn't the west get to elect or at least get to have their own representation?

Seems to me that ALPA asked the PHL reps for a pledge and you folks went ape $h!t over that saying how awful that was, your reps could support whom ever they wanted. Can't we do that now? Pot, met kettle.

St Bradford only wants 'loyal followers'. Seems to be a dictatorship, at least for 18 months.

As for the contract, the comments come from St Bradford and how easy this contract will be to negotiate.

I really thought you guys were going to be ready day one to usher in a new dawn of unionism. Not sure where the 'through the west under the bus' fits in that plan though. Remember, 'For ALL US Airways pilots.

I never saw or heard the PHL reps say ANYTHING about replacing ALPA until AFTER they were put into trusteeship. After that circus, I would hope that they would see ALPA for what it was. The PHL reps continued to represent the PHL membership until they were unceremoniously booted. In fact, that event (and others) helped to cement ALPA's fate in the east.

I'm sure that if someone reasonable, who wants to work within the new system were to step forward, that they would be confirmed as the reps for the West. You can't have someone who's entire platform is overthrow of the system without giving it a chance to work in a position to advance their cause at the expense of everyone else.

Nobody on the East wants the West folks "under the bus". We also aren't about to give you what's left of our careers, either.

 

[luvthe9]

Phx US Airways pilot group welcomes United merger [/url]

UAL pilots leader opposes any merger with US Air
Tuesday April 29, 5:35 pm ET

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A merger between United Airlines, a unit of UAL Corp (NasdaqGS:UAUA - News), and US Airways Group Inc (NYSE:LCC - News) would be "extremely negative," United's pilots' union chief said on Tuesday.

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"While United has its own problems and issues ... US Airways' problems run even deeper," said Steve Wallach, chairman of the Air Line Pilots Association (ALPA) chapter at United.

Wallach said in a statement reports of advanced merger discussions between United and US Airways on Monday have generated "enormous concern" among pilots at United.

They point to potential problems of combining work arrangements and seniority of union employees at both companies, if a merger were proposed. US Airways has failed to integrate pilots following its 2005 merger with America West Airlines. NICE TRY!!

 

[AAA73Pilot]

AAA73Pilot,

The difference is that the TA delineates that the E190 does not count towards the minimum fleet numbers.

I know you are right about the TA and fleet sizes. I am not sure about the 190's though. If I find out will let you know. Was trying to find a copy of my LOA's.

 

[nostradamus]

The america west pilots are already negotiating with them on the united board. They were calling them brothers and everything. I guess the united pilots do not want to be saved by america west pilots.


Statement by alpa leader Wallach

 

[AAA73Pilot]

Doesn't the west get to elect or at least get to have their own representation?

Seems to me that ALPA asked the PHL reps for a pledge and you folks went ape $h!t over that saying how awful that was, your reps could support whom ever they wanted. Can't we do that now? Pot, met kettle.

St Bradford only wants 'loyal followers'. Seems to be a dictatorship, at least for 18 months.

As for the contract, the comments come from St Bradford and how easy this contract will be to negotiate.

I really thought you guys were going to be ready day one to usher in a new dawn of unionism. Not sure where the 'through the west under the bus' fits in that plan though. Remember, 'For ALL US Airways pilots.

You're right. You do get your own representation for members. Don't know exact figures but rumor has it very few west pilots are members, doesn't surprise me.

I believe what the PHL reps objected to was the public support of ALPA. What they responded with was support for the pilots. Two different things. Which ALPA didn't like, hence trusteeship.

You can support any member as a rep. You just need to be a member first. I also heard about the "Volunteer interim" reps. that stepped forward. If I heard correctly, the objections came because of the public statements of doing their best to destroy USAPA. Public dissent is a good thing. Not outright hostility. Enough said.

Dictatorship? Your opinion.

We were ready from day 1. Maybe not to your way of thinking, but ready never the less. BTW. None of my colleagues want to throw any body under a bus. If you want to believe otherwise, so be it.

 

[tazz]

Just curious....

As a west pilot I am wondering whether the new "union" will ever let me know what they are up to. I believe they have already met with management and are moving at warp speed in their quest to "represent" me in a fair and balanced manner. They have not, however, given me one scrap of information since soliciting my vote for their superior services. The telephone messages are vague at best and I don't even know if they have a web site. Trying usapa.com gets me a picketball web site. What the heck is picketball? Could it be that the "union" really has no desire to represent the west in a fair and balanced manner? Life just keeps on surprising me!

 

[luvthe9]

Just curious....

As a west pilot I am wondering whether the new "union" will ever let me know what they are up to. I believe they have already met with management and are moving at warp speed in their quest to "represent" me in a fair and balanced manner. They have not, however, given me one scrap of information since soliciting my vote for their superior services. The telephone messages are vague at best and I don't even know if they have a web site. Trying usapa.com gets me a picketball web site. What the heck is picketball? Could it be that the "union" really has no desire to represent the west in a fair and balanced manner? Life just keeps on surprising me!

http://1.usairlinepilots.org/default2.htm This should work

 

[LOA93]

Just curious....

As a west pilot I am wondering whether the new "union" will ever let me know what they are up to. I believe they have already met with management and are moving at warp speed in their quest to "represent" me in a fair and balanced manner. They have not, however, given me one scrap of information since soliciting my vote for their superior services. The telephone messages are vague at best and I don't even know if they have a web site. Trying usapa.com gets me a picketball web site. What the heck is picketball? Could it be that the "union" really has no desire to represent the west in a fair and balanced manner? Life just keeps on surprising me!

"Pickleball" it's the latest craze!

 

[ChuckBewFarley]

You're right. You do get your own representation for members. Don't know exact figures but rumor has it very few west pilots are members, doesn't surprise me.

I believe what the PHL reps objected to was the public support of ALPA. What they responded with was support for the pilots. Two different things. Which ALPA didn't like, hence trusteeship.

You can support any member as a rep. You just need to be a member first. I also heard about the "Volunteer interim" reps. that stepped forward. If I heard correctly, the objections came because of the public statements of doing their best to destroy USAPA. Public dissent is a good thing. Not outright hostility. Enough said.

Dictatorship? Your opinion.

We were ready from day 1. Maybe not to your way of thinking, but ready never the less. BTW. None of my colleagues want to throw any body under a bus. If you want to believe otherwise, so be it.

AAA73-

You moniker says it all- 'For all US Airways Pilots' You forget to mention that they as reps have to swear allegiance to your beliefs, not represent the pilots. Didn't ALPA want to know that they weren't paying for the PHL reps to support a decert drive?

You came to PHX to fill a square, told us how it was going to be, and told us 'seniority is like crew meals, its negotiable.' Seeing how you have the majority now you get to dictate to us how things are going to be, some democracy there.

The Cornell plan sounds wonderful, but haven't we been down this road before?

Please understand where we are coming from, your groups reaction the arbitration outcome, our reaction to the election outcome.

If you truly believe that that you don't want to throw us under the bus you need to show us some good will. Your past actions make that all a very hollow comment.

Excluding us will only make the task harder. Of course we are hostile to this, wouldn't you be if the shoe were on the other foot. Certainly your mole didn't lead you to believe that we would just roll over for you.

 

[phasersonstun2]

Some of the LCC pilot group has decided to separate themselves from the rest by wearing a red back on their ID badge. What is this going to prove? First of all it is illegal to alter a company article such as an I.D. without permission. Secondly if LCC doesn't stop this, they are leaving themselves wide open for legal action... it is discriminatory.

 

[cactusflyer]

Some of the LCC pilot group has decided to separate themselves from the rest by wearing a red back on their ID badge. What is this going to prove? First of all it is illegal to alter a company article such as an I.D. without permission. Secondly if LCC doesn't stop this, they are leaving themselves wide open for legal action... it is discriminatory.

The "red" that you are referring to is not ON their badge, but merely an addition to the badge backer they've been wearing for months with their actual badge. So, technically they aren't altering their badges. Other than that, I can't answer your post as to why, I venture to say someone from the west will show up here with an answer, then someone that supports USAPA will rebut, nasty posts will ensue then the moderator will show up remind everyone to be "nice" or they can go spend some time in the cornfield. I honestly believe we can guess the answer, why start a war of nasty posts over it?