Pilot labor thread week 4/27-5/3

[prechilill]

Just an update for the readers outside of USAirways. It seems none of the AWA pilots have paid any dues to USAPA and Bradford is slightly upset about it. Apparently some unions which are voted on to a property do not assess members until a contract is delivered and nothing spells out legally when a new union can demand dues collection under the law. It is kind of a gray area, just like what the USAPs are exploiting with their bid to dump an arbitration ruling. Understanding the limited capabilities of the USAPA leadership and the cost savings LOA93 offers Parker, I would bet a contract is a couple years off, at least. Wow, what a hit in dues collections for USAPA having 38% of the pilot group not paying a dime for a couple of years.

 

[AAA73Pilot]

Wow, what a hit in dues collections for USAPA having 38% of the pilot group not paying a dime for a couple of years.

Wow. Not going to happen. But you can think what you want.

 

[nycbusdriver]

Just an update for the readers outside of USAirways. It seems none of the AWA pilots have paid any dues to USAPA and Bradford is slightly upset about it. Apparently some unions which are voted on to a property do not assess members until a contract is delivered and nothing spells out legally when a new union can demand dues collection under the law. It is kind of a gray area, just like what the USAPs are exploiting with their bid to dump an arbitration ruling. Understanding the limited capabilities of the USAPA leadership and the cost savings LOA93 offers Parker, I would bet a contract is a couple years off, at least. Wow, what a hit in dues collections for USAPA having 38% of the pilot group not paying a dime for a couple of years.

It's not gray at all. USAPA now has the task of defending YOUR contract as well as the east. No free lunch. A new union has no obligation to deliver a contract before they charge dues, and although USAPA is new, it is administering your OLD contract. Won't it be hilarious to stand in front of a federal judge and argue a DFR lawsuit against USAPA when you haven't paid any dues?

That said, I really do hope that no westie pays dues for now. That leaves only the east pilots as members in good standing with the ability to vote in a new contract, or just let Hemenway do exactly as he intimated in November, 2005, and that is to invoke LOA 93 as the "surviving" contract and make you westies work under it until you get a clue. If the company decides to do it, I for one hope USAPA agrees that they have the right.

 

[luvthe9]

That said, I really do hope that no westie pays dues for now. That leaves only the east pilots as members in good standing with the ability to vote in a new contract, or just let Hemenway do exactly as he intimated in November, 2005, and that is to invoke LOA 93 as the "surviving" contract and make you westies work under it until you get a clue. If the company decides to do it, I for one hope USAPA agrees that they have the right.

I would love to bring them on LOA 93!!!!

 

[SkyRat]

I would love to bring them on LOA 93!!!!

Funny how nothing have change here. Same culprits with the SAME inferior attitude. As always wishing the worst to everyone. Sad!

 

[EastUS]

Funny how nothing have change here. Same culprits with the SAME inferior attitude. As always wishing the worst to everyone. Sad!

Indeed: prechilled: "Ho Ho Ho!, St Nic is coming to town!" Leonidas: "I want the captain seat.and most of all, I want every single east pilot to pay for it". It's been a really awesome display of pilot fidelity all around.

As marvelous and overwhelmingly enjoyable a "Love-Fest" that this all has been:

I do NOT wish to ever see the west experience any reductions in pay or benefits. I'd much prefer some mutual concern for improvements for the entire group. While that "mutual group" concept has yet to be evidenced by virtually any west posters, and as tempting as any/all vindictive actions might momentarilly seem......One has to finally act/vote on core principles and beliefs...period.

 

[cactusboy53]

I would love to bring them on LOA 93!!!!

Luv...
Way to reach for that ring of gold!! U-Saps had the golden opportunity in a new contract when we were making $$ last summer. Oh well, poop in one hand and place your DOH argument in the other...and you get poopy hands. Have fun with your LOA 93. We'll just sit over her with full pay mechanical & DH. We'll also enjoy the additional 10 days vacation. When voting time comes, we will be ready and able to vote.

 

[LOA93]

I would love to bring them on LOA 93!!!!

Another core tenet of unionism, you guys never cease to amaze me :down:

 

[fr8tmastr]

Another core tenet of unionism :down:

I agree, but that is just one individual. Your MEC tried to have 100+ pilots officially removed from employment. One individual mouthing off out of anger VS an official Union (alpa) sanctioned attempted destruction of 100+ "union brothers". What was that about tenet's of unionism?

 

[AAA73Pilot]

Another core tenet of unionism, you guys never cease to amaze me :down:

Either way we're going to be paid the same for craft and class. Which would you prefer? Starting point with your support at contract 2000 or without your support and LOA93? But either way it's going to happen.

 

[EastUS]

Luv...
...and you get poopy hands.

Yet another new height in the art of aviation communication is now achieved, and presented for the world's delight on behalf of "professional pilots" everywhere....quite impressive indeed.

cactusboy53: "U-Saps had the golden opportunity in a new contract when we were making $$ last summer." One of us is seriously "confused" herein. Wasn't Alpa the bargaining agency at that time?

cactusboy53:"Have fun with your LOA 93. We'll just sit over her with full pay mechanical & DH. We'll also enjoy the additional 10 days vacation." I believe that AAA73 covered the developing reality in his above post = "Either way we're going to be paid the same for craft and class. Which would you prefer? Starting point with your support at contract 2000 or without your support and LOA93? But either way it's going to happen". That last seems a far more reasonable assumption to my thinking.

 

[EastUS]

Another core tenet of unionism, you guys never cease to amaze me :down:

Perhaps simply combining the log-in "name" with the statement doesn't produce concerted chuckling in some circles..but it's, at the least, qualifiably amusing irony =

quote name='LOA93' "Another core tenet of unionism, you guys never cease to amaze me"...while, by "name"..seemingly exulting in the east-west pay disparity....words are inadequate for addresing some levels of hypocrisy. Some might actually think that willfuly striving to take the postion of anyone with nearly twenty more service years hardly represents the finest tenets of true unionism as well.....just a side thought.

We've additionally always got the benefit of your most dependable posters out there to chime in with countless variations of AWA's clearly "Righteous Position" and staunchly supportive, "fraternal/etc" Unionist feelings as well: Leonidas:"I mean it, I hope all of you easties get what you deserve, and that is to be out on the street, if I can't have that , I want you and your family to pay dearly..."

No matter really. A year's worth of mutual, and "well expressed" contempt's done nothing to advance both/all of our group's collective interest in the slightest....Just a thought to eventually consider. Ridding the area of Alpa's a great first step, but much has to be done to try getting the groups together at some level......eventually anyway.

 

[prechilill]

Ridding the area of Alpa's a great first step, but much has to be done to try getting the groups together at some level......eventually anyway.

ALPA was irrelevant to any of your misfortunes in life, but feel free to believe in the boogey man.

 

[CactusFlyr]

East, you still here arguing with yourself? Give it up man.

 

[sharktooth]

It seems none of the AWA pilots have paid any dues to USAPA.......

Just curious. Since USAPA was voted in 17 April and your post was on 01 May, how, exactly, would you even know if anyone paid dues yet? I would imagine, knowing the incompetency of Tempe, the act of transferring dues from dues check-off would take a couple of days, if not years. Also, if a pilot elects maintenance fees only, would not one need a couple of months to determine what those fees would be in order to send an invoice?

... and Bradford is slightly upset about it.

Based on what Bradford has said, I think he would probably understand the issues and "upset" would seem unlikely.

Apparently some unions which are voted on to a property do not assess members until a contract is delivered and nothing spells out legally when a new union can demand dues collection under the law.

What contract and when? Perhaps your understanding of "contractual law" is a little scanty. In return for dues or maintenance fees, among other things, your vote is counted, you get to receive protections and you get to provide input and vote on contracts. If you do not pay dues and things don't go your way, good luck with that DFR lawsuit. (I would advise your attorney to collect his fees up front, before he files anything).

Also, you may wish to read up on law concerning right to work laws. You may wish to be sure to sign for every certified letter to protect your job.

Wow, what a hit in dues collections for USAPA having 38% of the pilot group not paying a dime for a couple of years.

As has been mentioned before, both MECs worked just "fine" according to you and your friends with only 25% of the dues. Now you say the new MEC will have problems with "only" 62% of the dues, about 2.5 times what both MECs had before?

Are you just angry you lost your cushy ALPA "job"? Get involved. Roll up your sleeves and work to help, if not your fellow pilots, at least yourself.