PHX F/A Scared of What?

[azjetdude]

Thanks xoxo you are right. It is while we are two seperate certificates.

The fact that we are merging in 18 months really doesn't help us out.

If a furloughed FA from any airline wanted to work at HP, they have to go through the entire training class WHILE WE ARE UNDER TWO SEPERATE CERTIFICATES ONLY.

We are looking at reducing our initial training down two six weeks, but that will take FAA approval, which takes a while. Also, we do three IOE/OJT trips VS the mandatory 5 hours.

 

[lynyrdskynyrd]

I am guessing that you have never been through a merger before... If I am not mistaking and i am pretty sure this is correct.. The shuttle flight attendants only spent one week (that is correct 1 week) of transition training and they had to learn all planes - many many more than what HP has.. not saying this will be done but it definitely can - hopefully we can all work together - I am just excited about the line I will be holding with my 8 years of seniority after the certificates are merged - I will be a pseudo senior momma in PHX... I just hope the flight attendants in PHX will understand the situation when we bump up to our seniority dates of 1999 and 2000....

I don't know about being a pseudo senior momma in PHX, but I bet you will be something else in PHX. Something that it already sounds like you are back east.

 

[USstew23]

Ouch goodgirl...pull the claws in a little it starting to sting! :huh:

For real!!! and come on goodgirl, that's just about enough, if (for example) your DOH is June 2000 and you were furloughed June 2003 you will come back with 3 years (for bidding), you are NOT going to come back with 8 years or at this point even with 6 years, not for bidding and pay. If you read your contract you will see that you are basically "frozen" from the day that you were furloughed. I am not sure what the transition agreement (if there is one worked out) will bring but basically everyone that is furloughed is frozen. You have a lot of good points but can you please stop with the attitude. Besides if you are recalled to PHX and go out there with a BAD attitude like that you are probably going to have problems and end up with no seniority number at all. We're all in this together!!! MOUTH!!

 

[andyperkins]

I don't know about being a pseudo senior momma in PHX, but I bet you will be something else in PHX. Something that it already sounds like you are back east.

Too Funny! Yea, sounds like anger management needs to be added to the f/a training program.

 

[IpourNotCan]

For real!!! and come on goodgirl, that's just about enough, if (for example) your DOH is June 2000 and you were furloughed June 2003 you will come back with 3 years (for bidding), you are NOT going to come back with 8 years or at this point even with 6 years, not for bidding and pay. If you read your contract you will see that you are basically "frozen" from the day that you were furloughed. I am not sure what the transition agreement (if there is one worked out) will bring but basically everyone that is furloughed is frozen. You have a lot of good points but can you please stop with the attitude. Besides if you are recalled to PHX and go out there with a BAD attitude like that you are probably going to have problems and end up with no seniority number at all. We're all in this together!!! MOUTH!!

USStew23 is right. I just called the Union Office and they confirmed it. If you were hired in 2000 and furloughed in 2003, you only get 3 years not 8 years. You only get 3 years and you don't accumulate seniority while you are in furloughed and bump majority of the flight attendants that are active at US West. So goodgirl, be a goodgirl and don't be a badgirl. Thank you.

 

[UseYourHead]

What a great attitude azjetdude!

Together we can great things as an employee group and airline. We have all been through hell if the past 20-30 years have been spent in this industry.

I am on airline 7 myself, and as a pilot I am ready to see us all move forward in a positive way.

I hope that the biggest winner here will be our PAX.

Looking forward to meeting you and all of my new friends out West!

Howdy everyone. Just an FYI, I have worked for 8 different airlines, HP for 20 years, been through just about everything.

I know we all are a little touchy, but I am very excited for the merger. Clearly, neither of us would have survived for very long, but I also think that the two airlines make a pretty great airline together.

I am excited to meet more of the US people, everyone I have met with have been great.

 

[mdarules]

For real!!! and come on goodgirl, that's just about enough, if (for example) your DOH is June 2000 and you were furloughed June 2003 you will come back with 3 years (for bidding), you are NOT going to come back with 8 years or at this point even with 6 years, not for bidding and pay. If you read your contract you will see that you are basically "frozen" from the day that you were furloughed. I am not sure what the transition agreement (if there is one worked out) will bring but basically everyone that is furloughed is frozen. You have a lot of good points but can you please stop with the attitude. Besides if you are recalled to PHX and go out there with a BAD attitude like that you are probably going to have problems and end up with no seniority number at all. We're all in this together!!! MOUTH!!

You are so mistaken STEW - Your DOH is used for bidding purposes and vacation say for example if you were hired in june 2000 and furloughed june 2003 you would get your 3 years for PAY AND VACATION only - your doh is used for bidding - LONGEVITY is the time that you actually were on property and worked and that pertains to pay and vacation only!!!! i don't know who you called but if it was the west MEC I wouldn't take to much of what they say to heart, several things have been brought to their attention that even they weren't able to see in broad daylight - If you didn't bring your DOH for bidding trust me there wouldn't be such a big fuss over the transition agreement and furloughees,,, however the furloughees will use their DOH for bidding - on the east or west side - you can't adjust your DOH to bid under - to say well you were on a voluntary furlough that was offered by the company for a month so you will get one less month of bidding seniority - and yes in the end it will be at your DOH - trust me - if you think people that have 8 years of seniority would be willing to work and bid for 3 years of seniority you are all tipping the bottle - call P. Friend and she will tell you !!!

USStew23 is right. I just called the Union Office and they confirmed it. If you were hired in 2000 and furloughed in 2003, you only get 3 years not 8 years. You only get 3 years and you don't accumulate seniority while you are in furloughed and bump majority of the flight attendants that are active at US West. So goodgirl, be a goodgirl and don't be a badgirl. Thank you.

HMMM sounds like goodgirl is a badgirl however she is right - you get 3 years for pay and not bidding and yes you would jump ahead to your DOH for bidding purposes. If you were hired in 2000 and worked till 2003 you will bid at a 2000 seniority date with a 3 year pay rate and pay is based on longvity and bidding is based on your DOH and yes you could bump someone that is why they must have a transition aggreement - otherwise the west f/sa will be bumpewd when the certificates are merged..

 

[USstew23]

You are so mistaken STEW - Your DOH is used for bidding purposes and vacation say for example if you were hired in june 2000 and furloughed june 2003 you would get your 3 years for PAY AND VACATION only - your doh is used for bidding - LONGEVITY is the time that you actually were on property and worked and that pertains to pay and vacation only!!!! i don't know who you called but if it was the west MEC I wouldn't take to much of what they say to heart, several things have been brought to their attention that even they weren't able to see in broad daylight - If you didn't bring your DOH for bidding trust me there wouldn't be such a big fuss over the transition agreement and furloughees,,, however the furloughees will use their DOH for bidding - on the east or west side - you can't adjust your DOH to bid under - to say well you were on a voluntary furlough that was offered by the company for a month so you will get one less month of bidding seniority - and yes in the end it will be at your DOH - trust me - if you think people that have 8 years of seniority would be willing to work and bid for 3 years of seniority you are all tipping the bottle - call P. Friend and she will tell you !!!
HMMM sounds like goodgirl is a badgirl however she is right - you get 3 years for pay and not bidding and yes you would jump ahead to your DOH for bidding purposes. If you were hired in 2000 and worked till 2003 you will bid at a 2000 seniority date with a 3 year pay rate and pay is based on longvity and bidding is based on your DOH and yes you could bump someone that is why they must have a transition aggreement - otherwise the west f/sa will be bumpewd when the certificates are merged..

Ok MDA but just to let you know I am an EAST person, so no, I did not get that from Council 66. I'm not sure what your DOH is but it seems that the more Junior of the invols think that they will be coming back and bid above all of the HP fa's that have been active for however long (say 4 years for example) and if you are an invol that was furloughed in Nov '01 and had six months of service. Do you actually think that you will come back and knock people down that have been active that whole time. That would not be fair either. If they started the same day as you and were never furloughed and you were only active for six months then please explain to me and the union. How would you like it if the shoe were on the other foot? Also if recalled to PHX our people would come back and bid on the bottom until integration. The beef with West is that the East people with 4 years (example) will get HP 4 year pay and vacation accrual, which is more than their most senior RSV makes. That is a fact!!!

 

[mdarules]

Ok MDA but just to let you know I am an EAST person, so no, I did not get that from Council 66. I'm not sure what your DOH is but it seems that the more Junior of the invols think that they will be coming back and bid above all of the HP fa's that have been active for however long (say 4 years for example) and if you are an invol that was furloughed in Nov '01 and had six months of service. Do you actually think that you will come back and knock people down that have been active that whole time. That would not be fair either. If they started the same day as you and were never furloughed and you were only active for six months then please explain to me and the union. How would you like it if the shoe were on the other foot? Also if recalled to PHX our people would come back and bid on the bottom until integration. The beef with West is that the East people with 4 years (example) will get HP 4 year pay and vacation accrual, which is more than their most senior RSV makes. That is a fact!!!


It was the pay at first but - then it was the fact that they would be bumped up to their DOH after integration and the west MEC said no way- If your DOH wasn't used for bidding purposed then why have it? trust me you use your DOH to bid with - that was the beef - they wanted the invols to transfer back to the east coast because they would be bidding at their DOH after the lists were integrated and the EAST MEC told them why to create 250 vacancies so people even more senior can transfer in? that made them stop and think - oh that is right- it goes by your seniority on transfers.... also - if you think i went back to PHL and bid with a 1999 seniority date and then I transfer to PHX say in 5 years or so - that I would have to go by a different "adjusted" DOH - no way!!

 

[USstew23]

Wow MDA, thats crazy, not the story that I got from the union but I'll take your word for it. After all I'm not in the room with those people and I have a 99 DOH as well.

 

[IpourNotCan]

MDARules, you are absolutely wrong. I called the Union myself. (Both East and West) America West hired alot of US Air Flight Attendants that got furloughed from US Airways. They have accumulated 2-3 years already here at America West, unfortunately they don't get double seniority from the old US Airways and they only get the seniority from the new US Airways. They already know that. But if you think that those furloughed flight attendants that were hired by the OLD US Airways who are currently active at America West will have less seniority than those who are inactive f/a's? You are mistaken and you are dreaming. Call the Union yourself, this has been the policy at America West. Just because you have been inactive for 5 years doesn't give you 8 years, you only get 3 years babe.

You are not going to bump both America West and former furloughed US East F/As who are active in the West.

By the way, US East and US West are now beginning talks on integrating both contracts that will be presented to the company.

 

[mdarules]

Well - if that was the case this would have been done long ago - however P. friend called G. Richardson and told him this was the case- if you look at the US EAST contract - your longevity is used for vacation and pay - your DOH is used for bidding - what do you think the stink was all about for DOH not to pass.... A GOOD QUESTION.... Those furloughees that were called back in APRIL 2005 .... and were out 2 or 3 years, do you think their seniority for bidding is -2 years b/c they were on furlough./.. no absolutley not they bid at their hire date... their pay is at their longevity and their vaca. as well... Their seniority date wasn't "adjusted to bid at... so if they transfered to PHX next year they will lose 2 years of seniority b/c they were on furlough (not even a chance) trust me on this one... you bid at your DOH date - not on your longevity -

 

[IpourNotCan]

We shall see indeed.
I wouldn't trust Pat Friend. She's not a friend...she has not done anything to help the America West or US Airways Flight Attendant. We are paying her salary to do what? Not to protect America West F/As that's for sure. We're better off not paying our dues to pay her stupid salary. Besides she has better things to do like boycotting stupid movies like Flight Plan.

 

[mdarules]

We shall see indeed.
I wouldn't trust Pat Friend. She's not a friend...she has not done anything to help the America West or US Airways Flight Attendant. We are paying her salary to do what? Not to protect America West F/As that's for sure. We're better off not paying our dues to pay her stupid salary. Besides she has better things to do like boycotting stupid movies like Flight Plan.

LOL this is true ... can't trust to many prople these days.... This is my point however .... maybe this will make it more clear and understandable..... say for instance suzy and becky were hired in 1996 and were in training together and suzy was one senior to becky... they were both furlughed in 2000... they had a recall and suzy stayed out on furlough b/c she was madly in love with her b/f.... but becky went back ... one year passes... suzy comes back on the next recall..... she is slotted back in at her doh for bidding and she has less longevity than becky b/c she has been off propert for one year longer even though becky is junior to her she is being paid more... however suzy will get her pick of which line she wants before becky...

 

[USstew23]

Well - if that was the case this would have been done long ago - however P. friend called G. Richardson and told him this was the case- if you look at the US EAST contract - your longevity is used for vacation and pay - your DOH is used for bidding - what do you think the stink was all about for DOH not to pass.... A GOOD QUESTION.... Those furloughees that were called back in APRIL 2005 .... and were out 2 or 3 years, do you think their seniority for bidding is -2 years b/c they were on furlough./.. no absolutley not they bid at their hire date... their pay is at their longevity and their vaca. as well... Their seniority date wasn't "adjusted to bid at... so if they transfered to PHX next year they will lose 2 years of seniority b/c they were on furlough (not even a chance) trust me on this one... you bid at your DOH date - not on your longevity -

1. MDA were you included in on some top secret conference call that no one else knows about? 2. The recalls bid that way because they fell right back in where they were because they are the most jr. either way right now. Where is PitBull? Oh my god stop trying to scare these poor West people with non sense.

LOL this is true ... can't trust to many prople these days.... This is my point however .... maybe this will make it more clear and understandable..... say for instance suzy and becky were hired in 1996 and were in training together and suzy was one senior to becky... they were both furlughed in 2000... they had a recall and suzy stayed out on furlough b/c she was madly in love with her b/f.... but becky went back ... one year passes... suzy comes back on the next recall..... she is slotted back in at her doh for bidding and she has less longevity than becky b/c she has been off propert for one year longer even though becky is junior to her she is being paid more... however suzy will get her pick of which line she wants before becky...

hmm good point! Well whoever answered the phone in the LEC office (I'll omit which East LEC office that was) said exactly what I stated earlier. I have to be honest I was confused about exactly what you are saying above MDA with the pass and everything. The way they explained it is that you fall back in with as if you did not pass but still with what we were active with before furlough. Confusing I know. Anyway all you West peeps, I hope that WE ALL end up with something that we feel is fair.