PHX F/A Scared of What?
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Travelpro72
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If US-west hires off the street and not the US-east invols, when the list is merged the ones on the street will be the newhires in PHX. The company will be able to do NOTHING about that. The invols at US-east as mentioned a million times come along with the rest of us at US-east. So the unions should get the ball rolling rather quickly to stop unnecessary furloughs in the future. 
Unfortunatly that is not true. HP could reduce their overall training if they wanted too, but right now we aren't. BTW, there is much more to training than EPs. FAA requires 40 hours of Basic Indoc, which has nothing to do with EPs. Even US's current initial training has 40 hours of basic indoc.
As for the pay, the company has not agreed to give full pay to anyone going through training.
BTW service training is only 3 days.
You might want to read the FARs that pertain to training.
Hi travelpro. You might be right on this, as I said, I don't know for sure, just what I heard.
As for the pay, the company has not agreed to give full pay to anyone going through training.
BTW service training is only 3 days.
You might want to read the FARs that pertain to training.
Hi travelpro. You might be right on this, as I said, I don't know for sure, just what I heard.
goodgirl37
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Because people don't educate theirselves and get the facts... To start off with - USEAST MEC will not allow them to mix invols and off the street personnell - It will be one or the other and if they don't get enough invols then i can see the off the street thing. However if they don't agree to "recall" they will be hiring solely off the street but i can tell you they won't mix b/c it creates too much conflict.. If they do hire off the street solely then their will be a one list combo and with no transition agreement therefore causing a bump and flush..
I know this but they can shorten the training to 3-4 weeks
40 hrs doesnt equate to 7 weeks and two weeks of AWA training is IOE's come on now -- I went through requal after being furloughed for a year and a half and it took 4.5 days I did my doors and self defense and see ya later - I will do either but if you are an employee of the company they are required to pay you for your training and this will be worked out as it is right now from what i understand...
hp_fa
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Will not allow? How does East think they can stop Doug from doing that with West equipment if he so chooses?
goodgirl37
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Sweets it goes like this - they come up with a transition agreement - present it to the company - the company agrees or disagrees - they hire off the street - or bring back furloughees - if they hire off the street fine - but when the list is combined they will just get furloughed along with everyone else hired from 2001 on ... just the way it works... and doug does not have control over the seniority list and he is not your daddy honey - so he is not going to be your protector like you think - man if i were running a company i would sure be happy to play you guys like puppets too !! You will believe anything the guy tells you - LOL, so naive .... SIGHHHHHHH!!!
USstew23
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Just found out the unions will be meeting with the company next week about the transition agreement. They will also get started on single contract negotiations. And come on guys stop the bickering, goodgirl you are pretty much right about the union stuff, but please try not to throw that in the West FA's face. AZJET is just saying what they heard (and come on we all know how we "hear" things). The facts are the facts and what will happen will happen no matter what any of us say. Yes they can "revise" the training for the invols but since it is still 2 separate certificates there are still certain things that MUST be covered. Even though West has the 319, 320, 733, and 757 they have different configurations and their emergency equipment is different not to mention other differences. Anyway with the single contract negotiations we are all going to have to come together very soon if we want a fair contract for BOTH. I just want US all to come together so we can all show these doubting Thomas's how good we CAN be, not how well we fight and disagree.
goodgirl37
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I am guessing that you have never been through a merger before... If I am not mistaking and i am pretty sure this is correct.. The shuttle flight attendants only spent one week (that is correct 1 week) of transition training and they had to learn all planes - many many more than what HP has.. not saying this will be done but it definitely can - hopefully we can all work together - I am just excited about the line I will be holding with my 8 years of seniority after the certificates are merged - I will be a pseudo senior momma in PHX... I just hope the flight attendants in PHX will understand the situation when we bump up to our seniority dates of 1999 and 2000....
hp_fa
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With the full expectation that I am heading for the cornfield, screw you.
Whatnow?
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The shuttle flight attendants only spent one week (that is correct 1 week) of transition training and they had to learn all planes - many many more than what HP has..
That is correct....They spent 1 week in PIT and basically were taught each A/C for 8hours with hands on training and then had the required FAA exam at the end of the day. And I believe the A/C on USAir property at that time were.....
DC-9, MD-80, F-100, 737-200/300/400, 727, 757, and 767. Trump Shuttle had 727's so F/A's were trained on USAir's differences only for that A/C.
That is correct....They spent 1 week in PIT and basically were taught each A/C for 8hours with hands on training and then had the required FAA exam at the end of the day. And I believe the A/C on USAir property at that time were.....
DC-9, MD-80, F-100, 737-200/300/400, 727, 757, and 767. Trump Shuttle had 727's so F/A's were trained on USAir's differences only for that A/C.
goodgirl37
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That is what i thought - and i assume that it would be even easier for us since were are already trained on the 737- 757- 319- 320 among the additional a/c that we are trained on.. so it could definitely be done - - - and the company does have to put you up and pay for this i would assume, since we are recalled employees already...
Why so bitter - I don't wish anyone the loss of their job but of course if it does come to that DOH is the answer as we all know.. I have been handed a furlough slip 3 times hp_fa , so don't think I will have sympathy b/c I know what it is like, and I am just glad that I will have people underneath me besides the 1300 I already have ( that are on furlough as well ) .... This actually works out well for me ... and other people that have been through the mill ... we have been out of work so this all could happen and our company could survive so if anything you should be thanking me not bashing me - it would probably do you good to go out on a furlough that way you can see why we want our jobs back - and you won't spout that smart lip of yours!!! HOLLA!!!
Howdy everyone. Just an FYI, I have worked for 8 different airlines, HP for 20 years, been through just about everything. I even work in the training department!
Unfortunatly times have changed. When TW and AA merged, TW was required to go through the entire initial training to work for AA. Since HP and US are still currently two different certificates, any US FAs would have to go through our initial training. Once the merger comes, it seems like we have a good proposal in to the FAA. We will see how that comes out!
It is amazing how different the procedures are from US and HP. Just about everything is different including a lot of the portable emergency equipment. Even our bell systems are very different! As for the merger, it seems pretty clear that most of the procedures will be the US way. Less people to train!
I know we all are a little touchy, but I am very excited for the merger. Clearly, neither of us would have survived for very long, but I also think that the two airlines make a pretty great airline together.
I am excited to meet more of the US people, everyone I have met with have been great.
I, for one, totally agree on the DOH once the merger happens, it is only fair! And from everything I have heard, it doesn't seem like everyone on the east are packing their bags to move!
The west won't be trained on the 330 or the 767, but they will be on the 321. What a great aircraft the 321 is. I had never flown on one until recently. I love it!
Wishing the best for everyone, together we can make this a great place to work!
Just to clarify the above email. While we are two certificates, anyone coming over or new will have to go through initial training.
Once the merger comes, its seems like we will be able to work out a better deal than the TW/AA merger. Most of the training will be on the HP side.
Unfortunatly times have changed. When TW and AA merged, TW was required to go through the entire initial training to work for AA. Since HP and US are still currently two different certificates, any US FAs would have to go through our initial training. Once the merger comes, it seems like we have a good proposal in to the FAA. We will see how that comes out!
It is amazing how different the procedures are from US and HP. Just about everything is different including a lot of the portable emergency equipment. Even our bell systems are very different! As for the merger, it seems pretty clear that most of the procedures will be the US way. Less people to train!
I know we all are a little touchy, but I am very excited for the merger. Clearly, neither of us would have survived for very long, but I also think that the two airlines make a pretty great airline together.
I am excited to meet more of the US people, everyone I have met with have been great.
I, for one, totally agree on the DOH once the merger happens, it is only fair! And from everything I have heard, it doesn't seem like everyone on the east are packing their bags to move!
The west won't be trained on the 330 or the 767, but they will be on the 321. What a great aircraft the 321 is. I had never flown on one until recently. I love it!
Wishing the best for everyone, together we can make this a great place to work!
Just to clarify the above email. While we are two certificates, anyone coming over or new will have to go through initial training.
Once the merger comes, its seems like we will be able to work out a better deal than the TW/AA merger. Most of the training will be on the HP side.
CLTBWIDAYSYR
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What? US flight attendants would have to go through HP initial training? How exactly would that work? When Piedmont, PSA and USAir merged in 1989, we went through transition training that lasted two days.
Seeing as that there are three times as many America East flight attendants as there are AmWest, what economic sense would this make? You REALLY need to clairify your statement, because as I read it, a good dose of drugs are needed.
I actually think they meant the involuntary furloughed f/a's, but, even for them it is too much. I really do not think that they are gonna put the invols through 8 weeks of that. I fly the 170's at the 170 division and I am already qualified on all a/c except the 330...we will see shortly though. There should be an announcment some time very soon!!!!!! 
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