New NonRev policy annouced

[jimntx]

If you mean, can you cancel your listing, wait a day, and then relist as a D1, yes I suppose you could.  But, that would have to be at least 48 hours prior to departure before anyone could even check-in; so, you wouldn't have a clue as to where you would stand on the list anyway?  What would be the point?
 
When you go to the Non-Rev travel planner, it will show you the real-time revenue load by cabin--for instance, F/C 7/16 means 7 revenue for 16 seats.  F/C 7/16(4) means 16 seats in F/C with 7 Revenue and 4 non-revs.  And, if you click on the "I" (for information) button, it will tell you how many of those 4 are D1, D2,, or D3.  But, that is just a listing (think reservation).  If all 4 are D2 and you are in a "must travel" situation, you would probably want to use one of your 4 D1s.  If you have already used all of your D1s for the year, then it would be a good idea to be at your computer 24 hours in advance ready to check in at the first magic moment.  At 24 hours prior to departure, you would still have the opportunity to be #1 on the non-rev portion of the Standby list if you are at your computer checking in at the right time.
 
Also, remember that no seat is taken out of inventory until you actually board the flight.  If you are not at the gate when your name is called, the next person on the list gets the seat, and an NR (no response) goes next to your listing.   But, if the load is not full, you have already had a seat assigned to you by the computer.  It showed you that when you checked in.  If you don't show up, the agents have to confirm that you are not on board then they can re-assign the seat to another non-rev.  Don't be a no-show if you can possibly avoid it.  Agents don't really like extra work.

 

[Justme]

Mr. Justme,
If you came to class more often (and I realize that a class that starts at the crack of noon is a little early for you), you would have heard my lecture on attempting to scam the system.  Well, actually it was in another thread; so, you may not have seen it.
 
Here again, we are assuming that the "old" AA rules and policies survive pretty much intact.
 
Your concern about people checking in as D2, then cancelling their listing and re-listing and checking in again as a D1 is unfounded.  This is an absolute no-no, and the computer tracks such shenanigans and generates a report to the appropriate management.  The computer will not stop you from doing it, but you may lose your non-rev privileges (and those of your family and everyone on your "buddy" list) for any time from a month to permanently.  You can change your priority code any time up until you check-in, but once your listing goes to the Standby list, you can't change it.
 
Unfortunately, there is no way to stop people from simply not listing until the last few hours before boarding and deciding then whether they list as a D2 or a D1.  However, remember that we only get 4 D1 listings per calendar year.  When they are gone, they are gone.  The computer will not stop you from listing as a D1 5 or more times, but that also is a travel-privilege-losing action.  It is your responsibility to be sure that you use your D1 no more than 4 times per year.  So, since they are all one-way, that means two round-trips per year as D1 or 4 round-trips where you are D1 in one direction but D2 in the other.  Fortunately, there is a travel history section on Jetnet where it shows you all of your (and your family and friends) non-rev travel for the calendar year, and up at the top of the page is a count of the number of D1s you have used that year.
 
Also, that listing at the last minute is fraught (now there's a college level word) with danger also.  You may log on to find a whole bunch of vacationing employees listed and checked in 24 hours in advance as D1.  So, waiting was for naught (a companion, college-level word to fraught ).
 
I think you are worrying too much about this.  As I posted earlier, in my vast 12 year career, I have never failed to arrive at my non-rev destination on the day I planned to travel...just maybe not at the time I planned to arrive.  A lot of the issues you all are worrying about are handled by the computer; so, there is no monkeying with the system by humans. 

ok JnT - that's one pretty big chill pill  - here it goes..........Guuuuulp
 
I'll just wait and see how things actually turn out this summer...I can see what you are saying about the protection that the words 'naught' and 'fraught' provide - quite reassuring actually.

 

[AirwAr]

2.  I've had some anxiety over one fcfs aspect since the merge was announced.  Let's say I want to go FLL-PHX.  On my travel day there are two flights...0730 and 1230.  So I list D2 for the first flight and check in exactly 24 hours prior - 0730.01 the day prior.  So there are 14 seats available, 20 people listed, and somehow 9 of them clicked the check-in button before I did....so I am number 10 for 14 seats....all is well...but then when I check the listings at 2230 before going to bed I find that 6 of the D2's below me have cancelled their D2 listing and listed/checked in as D1.  So now I am number 16 for 14 seats....Should I just hope for the best?  Or should I cancel that listing and now list for the 0530 CLT flight, which unfortunately has 19 people already checked in with 16 seats available.  My point is, DOH provides much greater flexibility when seats all of the sudden 'disappear' or D1s all of the sudden 'materialize out of thin air'.  Do I just need to take a chill pill?  
 
thanks for any and all advice  

 
Yes...you need to take a chill pill.  That said, if we went DOH...I would be doing the same thing.  
 
You typically wouldn't want to cancel your res and re-check-in for a later flight as you will then have a later check-in time.  You would stay on your initial flight, get your butt to the airport for that flight.  If you don't get on, you'll roll to the next flight with that earlier check-in time and would be ahead of anyone in the same classification on that flight.
 
And yes...you should plan on needing to be at the gate to be able to be rolled to the next flight.  Many times agents will not roll you to the next flight unless you are there.

 

[jimntx]

Actually, the policy is that agents may only roll people to the next flight who are at the gate.  Unfortunately, they are under such time pressure that I know of occasions where they rolled everyone left over after the door closed without verifying that everyone on the rollover list had appeared at the gate because removals have to be done one name at a time.  But, more than likely, if a nonrev did not show for their listed flight, they're probably not going to show for the next flight.

 

[dfw gen]

If you had some time you would complain , none of us wanted to merge with these bunch of losers !
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take you walker and retire already...

 

[Tim Nelson]

Although the online boarding policy is set to change for sUS employees to a 'first check in' ,  management has made boarding policy as a matter of contract and incorporated the boarding policy in the contracts of at least the CWA and IAM.
Management agreed to use DOH as the application for non rev boarding.   "Date of hire shall [edit: not 'may'] be applied to boarding for on-line non-revenue space available travel."
 
Although travel is a privilege, it becomes a right when it is offered to other groups.  And applying DOH to the boarding process becomes contractual when management agreed to it. 
 
I suggest that if management wants a 'seamless' merger, even for travel, that it negotiate fair contracts for the sUA employees. It's fair to do so.
 
regards,

 

[usfliboi]

take you walker and retire already...

The majority of US employees are happy that we are together. Its a great deal for both airlines and yes there are many that really need to retire. 

 

[etops1]

This is bull , why is everything being done the AA  way ? Aren't they the losers who lost 10 billion in the past 10 years ? The US employees are being treated like dirt , they want to get rid of us, In this business all you really have is your seniority and they are taking that away from us , the war has just begun !

Oh shut up already . Quit your whining ... So much entitlement .

 

[john john]

If you mean, can you cancel your listing, wait a day, and then relist as a D1, yes I suppose you could.  But, that would have to be at least 48 hours prior to departure before anyone could even check-in; so, you wouldn't have a clue as to where you would stand on the list anyway?  What would be the point?

So if you are trying to NRSA on the last PM flight and can’t get on you cannot book a D1 the next morning on the first AM flight?
If you try all day to get out and you cannot can you use a D1 on the last flight of that day?

 

[AANOTOK]

So if you are trying to NRSA on the last PM flight and can’t get on you cannot book a D1 the next morning on the first AM flight?
If you try all day to get out and you cannot can you use a D1 on the last flight of that day?

Yes, you can. If you have a D1 available, you can use it at any time.

 

[john john]

Yes, you can. If you have a D1 available, you can use it at any time.

Your concern about people checking in as D2, then cancelling their listing and re-listing and checking in again as a D1 is unfounded. This is an absolute no-no, and the computer tracks such shenanigans and generates a report to the appropriate management. The computer will not stop you from doing it, but you may lose your non-rev privileges (and those of your family and everyone on your "buddy" list) for any time from a month to permanently. You can change your priority code any time up until you check-in, but once your listing goes to the Standby list, you can't change it.

 

[JetguyCLT]

CWA has filed a Staff Grievance since it does state in the US ATO/RES CBA that boarding will be done by seniority for online travel. Should be interesting to see how that plays out.

 

[overhauler]

I have witnessed it on US, multiple times. I have had agents change my priority level in order or assign seats out of order so they they can get friends and/or family on a flight more than once.

I witnessed this at AA also, before our new non-rev system.  The way it use to work, was that you had to check in at a gate before each leg of the flight.  That was a lot of fun watching co-workers race each other out of the jetbridge to find a gate agent to check them in for the next flight.  Actually every time I watch "The Amazing Race" it brings back memories of that insane period.  Countless times, non-revs that showed up later than my family, mysteriously ended up ahead of us on the standby list.

 

[FWAAA]

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[AP Tech]

That is why with DOH.....end of discussion....not much room for scamming!!!