Negotiations........why?

[Overspeed]

MetalMover,
Can't be appointed. Voted on by the local membership, one base and one line, time and expenses paid by the local, and guidelines for reporting on very specific confidential matters. Oh, and they should be able to write too.

 

[MetalMover]

MetalMover,
Can't be appointed. Voted on by the local membership, one base and one line, time and expenses paid by the local, and guidelines for reporting on very specific confidential matters. Oh, and they should be able to write too.
 

Really? I can't remember the last time there were observers in negotiations.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

I will save what ever comes to mine for the AM hours on Saturday. Please stand By.

Yet another statement by a TWU member that was not followed through. 

 

[bob@las-AA]

Sorry for the delay, my busy social and work life at times do not allow the luxury of extra time. 
 
 

If you feel you have no hope then why are you still working for American Airlines.
 
like I said before, put together any three or four letter combination of letters and call it a union, the end result would be the same.
I do not advocate or pontificate any union. But seriously, how did you all of this from my quote that contains less than 30 words.
 
Maybe you should ask yourself where you want to be in 10 years.
 
I will be in full retirement, thank you for your concern.
 
 
 
If you can't see yourself doing the same job 10 years later (because unless you want to start your seniority over that is exactly what you will be doing) maybe you should start working on an exit plan.
 
 
You comment here really makes no sense at all, and why would my seniority start over? 
 
 
The future is coming regardless of your actions, rather you take an active role to shape it is up to you.
 
Yes time is eternal, and no I will not be a cheer leader for the association, But all things considered the association, regardless if we voted for it or not, it the best thing to happen to both memberships.
 
 
You basically took an entry level job that required no experience, no skill, no education, and minimum training with the intention of working it until retirement.........
 
Yes, I did volunteer to live under the AA rules and regs in exchange for a hourly wage. And I'm grateful. 
 
You made no investment whatsoever in yourself,
 
This is puzzling, did we meet? I can't remember ever expressing verbally or on this blog my circumstances to you or anyone else. But be careful, this has a slight tone of a unprovoked personal attack.  
 
 
nor have you showed any ambition to move up in the company, and your unhappy because you have no......... leverage?
 
You must be kidding! I wasn't going to mention this because I do realize that not all people have the same skills, skills to compose a sentence that is both meaningful and follows proper English. 
 
This comment  warrants no response.   
 
Seriously?

 
Enjoy !

 

[AANOTOK]

"Yes, I did volunteer to live under the AA rules and regs in exchange for a hourly wage. And I'm grateful."
 
Did those rules and regs include cutting your wages? Did it include freezing your pension? Did it include the numerous things AA took away during a bankruptcy in which they had billions in the bank and refuses to restore.
I do not recall any off those items being on the application when I signed on the dotted line to "live under their rules and regs".
All those items were added sometime between years 20 and 31 of my employment. Now, in year 32, I am still battling to get back what I and AA agreed upon back in 1983 and some of the very few things that we fought hard for in the years thereafter.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

You basically took an entry level job that required no experience, no skill, no education, and minimum training with the intention of working it until retirement.........
 
You made no investment whatsoever in yourself, nor have you showed any ambition to move up in the company, and your unhappy because you have no......... leverage?

This is puzzling, did we meet? I can't remember ever expressing verbally or on this blog my circumstances to you or anyone else. But be careful, this has a slight tone of a unprovoked personal attack.
 
You must be kidding! I wasn't going to mention this because I do realize that not all people have the same skills, skills to compose a sentence that is both meaningful and follows proper English.

Fine. I am all ears. What investment did you make in yourself to become a 10 year plus Fleet Service Clerk?
 
 
You call it a slight tone of an (you are showing your English skills off up there) unprovoked attack. I call your whole attitude cynic and passive.
 
The fact is if you have no expectation of an effective UNION and no hope that your situation can improve why are you staying put?
 
 
There was no attack intended. I spent 12 years as a Fleet Service Clerk myself until they closed my shop. Me attacking you for that would be pot vs kettle.
 
I have since learned what mistake that was. Had I not gone to school I would have faced unemployment with no marketable job skills, no plan, and no prospects.
 
There is a danger in settling into a static career where your labor is easily replaced. That is all I am saying. If that does not help you then I hope it helps someone else.

 

[Chuck Schalk]

what I want to know is:
 
what is the battle pan of the TWU ATD or  TWU loyalists if the company gives us all raises for outsourcing more work and /or losing jobs?
 
what will the position of the TWU ATD.....vote yes?  (they have never told us to vote "no" on any contract)
 
I am raising the question and..................
 

 

[1AA]

what I want to know is:
 
what is the battle pan of the TWU ATD or  TWU loyalists if the company gives us all raises for outsourcing more work and /or losing jobs?
 
what will the position of the TWU ATD.....vote yes?  (they have never told us to vote "no" on any contract)
 
I am raising the question and..................

Actually they did recommend a NO vote back in 1989. It was the first company offer. Threats of massive layoffs for fleet service if the second offer did not pass. Maintenance got screwed on the second offer. Fleet did better to save jobs. We where just along for the ride. Majority ruled back then.This was before we had separate locals.

 

[bob@las-AA]

"Yes, I did volunteer to live under the AA rules and regs in exchange for a hourly wage. And I'm grateful."
 
Did those rules and regs include cutting your wages? Did it include freezing your pension? Did it include the numerous things AA took away during a bankruptcy in which they had billions in the bank and refuses to restore.
I do not recall any off those items being on the application when I signed on the dotted line to "live under their rules and regs".
All those items were added sometime between years 20 and 31 of my employment. Now, in year 32, I am still battling to get back what I and AA agreed upon back in 1983 and some of the very few things that we fought hard for in the years thereafter.

Hired in 2008 and its nothing but steady raises for me, and the pension was froze before I was vested.

 

[bob@las-AA]

Fine. I am all ears. What investment did you make in yourself to become a 10 year plus Fleet Service Clerk?
 
 
You call it a slight tone of an (you are showing your English skills off up there) unprovoked attack. I call your whole attitude cynic and passive.
 
The fact is if you have no expectation of an effective UNION and no hope that your situation can improve why are you staying put?
 
 
There was no attack intended. I spent 12 years as a Fleet Service Clerk myself until they closed my shop. Me attacking you for that would be pot vs kettle.
 
I have since learned what mistake that was. Had I not gone to school I would have faced unemployment with no marketable job skills, no plan, and no prospects.
 
There is a danger in settling into a static career where your labor is easily replaced. That is all I am saying. If that does not help you then I hope it helps someone else.

 
Sir, do you expect me to respond to this incoherent gibberish? And the use of "A" or "AN" in the sentence I provided, is acceptable because no words with a vowel sound are place before A or AN. Thus one could use ether according to taste.
 
I will respond to this, It is the Company that decides what we get, not the vigorous vein attempts of the association with their dog and pony show.
I will vote "YES" on a contract that offers money for jobs. My first career of 22 years was a electrician, and I still do consulting work, but this job as a FSC is just that, just a job. It offers good money and flexible hours, unheard of in any other job that is considered a "laborer" position. I do have a sense that you are trying to send a message. But I can assure you that none is needed.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

Sir, do you expect me to respond to this incoherent gibberish? And the use of "A" or "AN" in the sentence I provided, is acceptable because no words with a vowel sound are place before A or AN. Thus one could use ether according to taste.

Sir, you need to go back to school. It is the word after not before.
 
http://www.grammar-monster.com/lessons/an_or_a.htm
 
If you are done playing grammar police maybe now we can have a proper conversation. 
 

I will respond to this, It is the Company that decides what we get, not the vigorous vein attempts of the association with their dog and pony show.

At this point I can't say I disagree with you.
 
However, contracts are meant to be negotiated, not mandated. 
 
I do not consider a UNION that accepts mandates acceptable.
 

My first career of 22 years was a electrician, and I still do consulting work, but this job as a FSC is just that, just a job.
 
It offers good money and flexible hours, unheard of in any other job that is considered a "laborer" position.

If it is just a job why come on here and comment in this thread? You seem happy with your situation.
 

I do have a sense that you are trying to send a message. But I can assure you that none is needed.

If you are not receptive to receiving messages then why come to a forum?
 
If you feel the only choice you have is to accept what the company dictates you should have and you are happy with your situation then why even comment on this thread? Especially about leverage.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

Sir, do you expect me to respond to this incoherent gibberish?

What is incoherent is complaining about not having leverage then accepting passively whatever the company dictates you should have.

 

[bob@las-AA]

This is the sound of me placing La Li Lu Le Lo in Ignore Jail {click sound}
 
What a POS

 

[AANOTOK]

I guess our negotiators are meeting with themselves starting again today to to see what they can save.
According to Parker, the 4% raise has already been budgeted and since the majority were given their
raises on 1-5-15, would seem like to me our 4% should be retro back to that date. If it were in the budget, then the money
would be accounted for already. Of course in Parker's eyes, that's just money the company is making off the Association.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

This is the sound of me placing La Li Lu Le Lo in Ignore Jail {click sound}
 
What a POS

Well at least I accomplished something today.