Negotiations........why?

[1AA]

The twu would've tucked their tails and tried to sell a concessionary contract a loooong time ago...

And they are going to do it again with the help of the IAM. Profits rolling in again.

 

[1AA]

Once again overspin no matter what you think of AMFA and even how the strike went down. It cannot be argued and I have stated this several times on these boards. NO AMT in the iam or twu would even be breaking 30 dollars and hour if it were not for AMFA at NW and our contract and I at big purple being non-union would not be making 52 dollars if it were not for AMFA at NW. The end result was bad for us but then again it wasn't all AMFA's fault. A lot of things came together to hurt us in that strike. The company was hell bent on breaking AMFA and was prepared to spend what it took to do it. The FAA turned a blind eye as well. So we lost the battle but the war still carries on it didnt take long for the likes of the iam and twu to drag the industry back down to the bottom. If I wanted to make ramp wages I would have never went and got my A@P and the training to get where I am today and the iam continued to keep us at ramp and agent wages even in the best times in aviation history thats why we tossed their ass to the street as most all other airlines AMT's did eventually except UsAir ( who was the lowest paid AMT's by the way) now merged with AA and the twu (the second worst paid AMT's in salary and benefits). Yeah I see a real chance for an industry leading contract coming from you guys Overspin NOT!! History is not your side here. Will be interesting to see just what POS you do come up with.

History is on our side. Remember the 6 year 1995 contract? Record profits and only .50 raise.

 

[AANOTOK]

Regardless of profits (record) your/our raises have already been determined, I can guarantee you that. The only things left to negotiate are what we will be giving up to get anything else. Profits have absolutely no bearing on anything when it comes to AA and the TWU. Now, the lack of profits plays a tremendous role in the negotiations. Makes it easier to justify the unjustifiable!!

 

[mike33]

You guys/gals are all full of BS...........told you there wouldn't be a vote......  Let the Team do their job as a collective voice at the table..... AA needs this JCBA....
 
  If you can't handle that then too bad because we are already into it. No turning back............
 
  PlayGround chatter is all this page is!

 

[1AA]

You guys/gals are all full of BS...........told you there wouldn't be a vote......  Let the Team do their job as a collective voice at the table..... AA needs this JCBA....
 
  If you can't handle that then too bad because we are already into it. No turning back............
 
  PlayGround chatter is all this page is!

I see you skipped your meds again.

 

[AANOTOK]

...and you are on the seesaw or swing, Mike?

 

[mike33]

Figured those comments would come.........Wheels are already in motion. Don't be surprised if you get more than YOU think they are bargaining for.....

 

[AANOTOK]

Well Mike, I hope you are right...I hope I'm pleasantly surprised. By the way, not dogging, just addressing the fact that if you are commenting in this forum then you would have to be in the playground. I personally was in the "Sandbox". 

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

We need to demand that they give us updates at the end of every session with both the ASSociation and the company. I want to know EVERY article discussed and where each side stands. I am tired of waiting until a TA is posted only to find out that when the actual contract is printed, there are so many "THEY CAN DO THAT, BROTHERS" in there. 
This should not be so hard to do considering the information age we live in.

I agree with you for the most part however, there is a danger in releasing information too early as failure to meet stated goals can have a high price.
 
There is also a danger in announcing an expectation because once you set the expectation, it can be difficult to exceed it in negotiations.
 
I am not defending the association keeping members in the dark, I am just saying there can be a danger in being too forthcoming at the wrong time.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

All have equal chance of getting nothing.

If you feel you have no hope then why are you still working for American Airlines.
 
Maybe you should ask yourself where you want to be in 10 years. If you can't see yourself doing the same job 10 years later (because unless you want to start your seniority over that is exactly what you will be doing) maybe you should start working on an exit plan.
 
The future is coming regardless of your actions, rather you take an active role to shape it is up to you.
 

Why? because we have nothing to leverage!!!
 
NOTHING!!!

You basically took an entry level job that required no experience, no skill, no education, and minimum training with the intention of working it until retirement.........
 
You made no investment whatsoever in yourself, nor have you showed any ambition to move up in the company, and your unhappy because you have no......... leverage?
 
Seriously?

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

Well Mike, I hope you are right...I hope I'm pleasantly surprised. By the way, not dogging, just addressing the fact that if you are commenting in this forum then you would have to be in the playground. I personally was in the "Sandbox". 

I preferred the merry-go-round.
 

 

[AANOTOK]

The way Parker makes it sound in his state of the airline speech is that talks between AA and the Association have already started...

 

[Chuck Schalk]

AMFA and any other entity is no longer the issue lets focus on the future.
 
what is the TWU ATD plan for obtaining us an industry leading contract?
what media or social outfit is being used to help in our efforts.
what organization(ex; AFL/CIO, Transportation trades.....etc) is behind us and what are they willing to contribute to obtain an industry leading contract?
Who are the political representatives that will stand beside us and what are they willing to do in obtaining an industry leading contract?
what is the TWU ATD communication layout? who is responsible for communications?
 
will the TWU ATD allow observers at negotiations?    if no, why not?   the membership would like the opportunity
What is the battle plan of the TWU ATD if the company wants to contract out more work?   
Who will explain the contract language in detail to the membership and how will this be accomplished?
 
just a few off the top of my head,    
 
 

 

[Overspeed]

I'd go for observers at the table and a coordinated communication plan to inform the membership before voting. We need face to face Q&A this time. No mailers, no videos, stand in front of us and face the membership.

 

[bob@las-AA]

If you feel you have no hope then why are you still working for American Airlines.
 
Maybe you should ask yourself where you want to be in 10 years. If you can't see yourself doing the same job 10 years later (because unless you want to start your seniority over that is exactly what you will be doing) maybe you should start working on an exit plan.
 
The future is coming regardless of your actions, rather you take an active role to shape it is up to you.
 
You basically took an entry level job that required no experience, no skill, no education, and minimum training with the intention of working it until retirement.........
 
You made no investment whatsoever in yourself, nor have you showed any ambition to move up in the company, and your unhappy because you have no......... leverage?
 
Seriously?

I will save what ever comes to mine for the AM hours on Saturday. Please stand By.