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[AMFAMAN]

Thank you for falling on your sword for us!!

My hero!!! :wub: 🙄

[post="251860"][/post]​

You're welcome.... :bleh: :bleh:

 

[AMFAMAN]

Get rid of all the old, bitter, union crazies and bring in some people willing to work hard for a performance based salary, where the quality and productivity of your work determines your pay, not your seniority.

[post="251386"][/post]​

Anyone happen to notice that the twu stoolies have stayed away from this thread now that mangement has decided to pick a fight with the AMFA supporters here. One can only guess that the twu stoolies agree with mAAnagements stance of pAAy per performAAnce and tossing the contrAAct.

Hey twu boys and girls, do you agree with Oneflyer's above post?

 

[aafsc]

Uneducated....ha ha ha. Sorry having a union-busting degree from George Washington School of Union Busting doesn't impress me one bit. :mf_boff: Why don't you get your so-called educated butt on out there and fix those planes, I could use a good laugh. You wouldn't last 5 minutes until you ran back to your,"I'm someone," desk job.

BTW...As I stated before, I can leave and make more money as each job below pays more than I make today and top pay is much more. I rather stay and fix the problems you've created.

ConEd Jobs

[post="251840"][/post]​

Would not last 5 minutes on the ramp either!

 

[AMFAMAN]

Would not last 5 minutes on the ramp either!

[post="251961"][/post]​

You got that right....But I'm sure he complains about the FSC IOD claims for back injuries from lifting bags in a MD-80 belly. I would guess under Oneflyer's pay for performance plan, if you get hurt, you don't get paid. :down:

 

[Oneflyer]

I would guess under Oneflyer's pay for performance plan

I find it humorous that you continue to mock the idea of pay for performance plan. Considering that everyone that is not in a union is paid based on their performance, you continue to show the incredible ignorance and lack of understanding that continues to contribute to the demise of unions today.

 

[Oneflyer]

Would not last 5 minutes on the ramp either!

Don't kid yourself, it ain't that hard.

If it was that difficult, then there would be fewer people that could do it and wages would rise. Supply and demand. Uh, that doesn't seem to be working out too well for you.

 

[eolesen]

Would not last 5 minutes on the ramp either!

[post="251961"][/post]​

Yeah? Try 5 minutes in HDQ if you think it is so easy...

I've seen people fold under the pressure just waiting for the elevator. And they don't always work, so sometimes we're forced to take the stairs.

Plus, at HDQ, you can be walked out the door just for having mismatched shoe and belt leather.... No grievances, no board of adjustment...

That kind of pressure can be tough to deal with on a daily basis.

If it weren't for the fact that each day means the opportunity to work on something different, I'd be back out on the ramp in a heartbeat.

On a more serious note, don't forget that a significant number of folks in HDQ started out on the front lines. They didn't leave because they couldn't handle the job -- they just were looking for more of a challenge. Not everyone is content doing the same thing for years at a time.

 

[aafsc]

Don't kid yourself, it ain't that hard.

If it was that difficult, then there would be fewer people that could do it and wages would rise. Supply and demand. Uh, that doesn't seem to be working out too well for you.

[post="251990"][/post]​

My invitation still stands to enroll in the walk-a-mile program and come to MIA and work on the ramp. Load a 737 to PAP and then say it ain't that hard. People like you are ignorant and arrogant about the jobs of others. I started with AA in 1990 at $6.85 an hour part time BUT I knew I would eventually reach a decent wage and full time which is why I stuck around. You talk of supply and demand. It is clear that people will not even do this job for $9.50 and hour. Just look at USAIR, they have open house after open house after open house and they still can't get the people. About half can't pass the drug and background check and the ones that can half just leave and don't even finish the classes. This is talked about on the US forum. A lot of long time USAir people have also left (quit, retire,etc). They are right next to us and tell us this. So people like you will find that the people who actually work (instead of sitting behind a desk) have their limits as to how low they will go. Also, a ground handling company can't get people. They are coming into our breakroom asking us if we want to work for them on our days off for peanuts and asking us to tell people they have jobs available. So much for your "pay for performance". They, like you want people to work for nothing. And I will not work for nothing. Maybe you will in addition to licking boots. And lastly we have people that are highly educated. On the ramp we have people who at their day jobs are teachers, cops, one is a judge, another is a lawyer, one guy worked for du pont as a chemist, and we even have a former airline pilot on the ramp. And I myself have a masters degree that I will use if the pay is cut again, The reason I and the other educated people stay is for the pay, benefits, and FLEXIBILITY. I enjoy the fact that I can trade or give away days. Again. don't be a coward. Put your money where your mouth is and go to MIA and work that PAP flight.

 

[Kev3188]

My invitation still stands to enroll in the walk-a-mile program and come to MIA and work on the ramp.  Load a 737 to PAP and then say it ain't that hard.  People like you are ignorant and arrogant about the jobs of others.

[post="252007"][/post]​

AAFSC- Good post.

Oneflyer--
If MIA doesn't suit you, come over to my carrier and we can spend the day loading bags headed for Manila. Good times.

By the way, we also have quite a few guys on the ramp in my station that either already have degrees, or are working to get them.

 

[aafsc]

Yeah? Try 5 minutes in HDQ if you think it is so easy...

I've seen people fold under the pressure just waiting for the elevator. And they don't always work, so sometimes we're forced to take the stairs.

Plus, at HDQ, you can be walked out the door just for having mismatched shoe and belt leather.... No grievances, no board of adjustment...

That kind of pressure can be tough to deal with on a daily basis.

If it weren't for the fact that each day means the opportunity to work on something different, I'd be back out on the ramp in a heartbeat.

On a more serious note, don't forget that a significant number of folks in HDQ started out on the front lines. They didn't leave because they couldn't handle the job -- they just were looking for more of a challenge. Not everyone is content doing the same thing for years at a time.

[post="252000"][/post]​

Former ModerAAtor, when I first hired on at AA, I just finished my 4 year degree and went to headquarters under the walk-a-mile program to get an idea of what it would be like to work there. I met some good people who showed me around and answered all my questions for which I was greatful. The people were professional but I got the impression that the atmosphere was tense. After the first Gulf war AA furloughed people in HDQ. I am not knocking anyone's job because all of our jobs contribute to AA's existence. Just as we need mechanics and related, ramp and related, agents, F/A's, and pilots, we also need people in management, marketing, legal, finance, accounting, etc. But it does seem that Oneflyer has never worked a frontline position and has a bad attitude towards those who do.

 

[aafsc]

AAFSC- Good post.

Oneflyer--
If MIA doesn't suit you, come over to my carrier and we can spend the day loading bags headed for Manila. Good times.

By the way, we also have quite a few guys on the ramp in my station that either already have degrees, or are working to get them.

[post="252010"][/post]​

Kev, I know what you mean. We get bags that are transfering to Manila. Don't you just love all of those heavy taped up boxes?

 

[Hackman]

I find it humorous that you continue to mock the idea of pay for performance plan. Considering that everyone that is not in a union is paid based on their performance, you continue to show the incredible ignorance and lack of understanding that continues to contribute to the demise of unions today.

[post="251987"][/post]​

Your arrogance exceeds your ignorance, bootlicker. Performance plan? Hmmm, well if your in that game here at Arrogant Airlines, it looks like you have not recieved a Christmas bone-us from the man for quite a while now, have you smart guy? How many years have we at AMR watched the red ink flow? (yes, its all them damn unions fault, I'm sure of it). However, we still have the millions to have our name on the AAC and the AA Theatre in New Yawk. Had plenty of cash for the SERP Program Uncle Don was so fond of. Yup, that "Performance plan" worked well for some, did that one pass you by?

.....and the red AA ink just keeps on a flowin'. Them damn unions.... <_<

 

[aafsc]

Your arrogance exceeds your ignorance, bootlicker. Performance plan? Hmmm, well if your in that game here at Arrogant Airlines, it looks like you have not recieved a Christmas bone-us from the man for quite a while now, have you smart guy? How many years have we at AMR watched the red ink flow? (yes, its all them damn unions fault, I'm sure of it). However, we still have the millions to have our name on the AAC and the AA Theatre in New Yawk. Had plenty of cash for the SERP Program Uncle Don was so fond of. Yup, that "Performance plan" worked well for some, did that one pass you by?

.....and the red AA ink just keeps on a flowin'. Them damn unions.... <_<

[post="252015"][/post]​

Hackman, you are right. Oneflyer is so intoxicated by the union-hating koolaid that he/she can't think straight. He/she can't see the fact that Carty pi$$ed away billions on more room throughout coach, new aircraft interiors, larger overhead bins, brand new designed seats for our planes, and new interiors. These are items that passengers were unwilling to pay for. Also, we can't forget about Carty's multi-billion dollar expenditure for TWA's assets. All pi$$ poor decisions that have cost AA billions and he got handsomely rewarded. Pay for performance, get real Oneflyer. By the way Oneflyer, I was saying in 1999 that AA could not depend on the high dollar business traveler and that they would one day revolt and no longer pay the high dollar fares. I said that AA needed to start making preparations then for the fare revolt. But your idols could not see it. Imagine that, a lowly ramper could see something that your great Don Carty could not.

 

[MCI transplant]

Hackman, you are right. Oneflyer is so intoxicated by the union-hating koolaid that he/she can't think straight. He/she can't see the fact that Carty pi$$ed away billions on more room throughout coach, new aircraft interiors, larger overhead bins, brand new designed seats for our planes, and new interiors. These are items that passengers were unwilling to pay for. Also, we can't forget about Carty's multi-billion dollar expenditure for TWA's assets. All pi$$ poor decisions that have cost AA billions and he got handsomely rewarded. Pay for performance, get real Oneflyer. By the way Oneflyer, I was saying in 1999 that AA could not depend on the high dollar business traveler and that they would one day revolt and no longer pay the high dollar fares. I said that AA needed to start making preparations then for the fare revolt. But your idols could not see it. Imagine that, a lowly ramper could see something that your great Don Carty could not.

[post="252018"][/post]​

<_< Get over it a.a.! The way your going you just know some old TWA gray-beard will be @#%# on your grave! Or at least you'll think as much, weather true or not! 😛

 

[aafsc]

<_< Get over it a.a.! The way your going you just know some old TWA gray-beard will be @#%# on your grave! Or at least you'll think as much, weather true or not! 😛

[post="252019"][/post]​

You would like to be that TWA person, wouldn't you. What in my previous post pi$$ed you off. The only thing I mentioned about TWA is that it was one of Carty's MANY mistakes. And I feel a lot of people will agree with my list of Carty's MANY mistakes and that he should not have been "paid for his performance" as Oneflyer likes to say.