More Groups Wanting To Fire The TWU

[dfw gen]

It seems like maybe the majority is once again going to try and dominate the minority? I'm sure they've already been conveying not to worry that they know what's best for you?
they call that democracy don't they? As opposed to the twu deciding what's best without a vote?

Don't forget McCaskill Bond. At least you have that.

 

[NYer]

Oh so you don't suppose in any way shape or form that if this newly formed organization get's their way and becomes the new bargaining agent for the entire collective that they won't try and give themselves a little advantage? 

I'll bet you $10.00 that when it comes to negotiating against the company that there won't be one soul from the US side sitting in that room.

 
And what does McCaskill Bond have to do with that?

 

[Bogey]

Oh so you don't suppose in any way shape or form that if this newly formed organization get's their way and becomes the new bargaining agent for the entire collective that they won't try and give themselves a little advantage? 
I'll bet you $10.00 that when it comes to negotiating against the company that there won't be one soul from the US side sitting in that room.

The new orginazation has already told us someone from US would be at the table of NAAP wins. We, the dispatchers, want a merged list.

 

[Bogey]

So I'll take that bet weasel

 

[WeAAsles]

The new orginazation has already told us someone from US would be at the table of NAAP wins. We, the dispatchers, want a merged list.

Maybe the new leaders of your organization should draw up some legal documents to present to the US side before you ask them to agree to be a part of it for assurances? Have those documents signed and notarized and a copy sent to all on the both sides.

I don't think that would be a very difficult thing to do? Do you?

 

[AANOTOK]

This is all fine and dandy entertainment, but while the debates and proposed solutions fly amongst us members, we sit and wait (in the blind I might add) and we lose both money and potential leverage.
Again, I have no clue if there are any discussions going on, but what I do know is self described "militant" Lombardo is hurting the Air Division of the TWU with his lack of both action and transparency as much as Little did with his actions. Lace up your boots Harry, isn't that what you promised?

 

[MetalMover]

I guess its true what they say. Start any thread in the AA section of this forum and before you know it. It will be about amfa, iam, mechanics etc etc. or maybe Delta.

Whoa there......In case you missed it, the title of this topic is MORE GROUPS WANTING TO FIRE THE TWU..... So why NOT bring up amfa, iam, mechanics. etc....Amfa or the IAM as an alternative to the TWU...ANd since the MECHANICS are part of the TWU..are we not allowed to post in this topic?

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

 
http://workinglife.typepad.com/daily_blog/2005/08/wake_up_press_w.html

 
An almost 10 year old opinion/blog entry from the website of a somewhat shady wannbe politician .... how long did it take you to blow the dust off that one?

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

United offered this in 2013
 
http://www.unitednegotiations.com/employees/uploaded-assets/proposal-summary.pdf
 
$80K early out pay out if they get 1000 takers
 
http://www.unitednegotiations.com/employees/uploaded-assets/proposal.pdf
 
Page 30 has pay scales topping out at $40.85 in the 2013 rejected proposal

 
The "proposal" was never rejected as it was never put before the membership for a vote.
 
And the the $40.85 you cite was nothing but smoke, read the entire presentation and you'll see what was taken out of that number that the mechanic was going to have to pay for.

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

 
 
 
Explain this which went far beyond any B scale application with any union:  "Pay Scales and Pensions would NEVER MERGE!" 
 
 
            American Airlines adopted the benchmark "B scale" in 1983 permanently reducing pay for newly hired pilots by 50%. In fact, under the AA system negotiated while the Seham firm sat on the labor side of the table – pay rates and pensions for new employees would never merge with those of current employees.
 
            While ALPA pilots were forced to deal with this blight brought to the industry by APA and the Sehams, not one ALPA pilot group accepted a non-merging two-tier scale. The clearest example of this was the ALPA strike at United in June 1985, when the pilots refused to agree to a non-merging two-tier pay scale.

 
 
Certainly would be HYPOCRITICAL to try and flip the script now just to try and take a shot at Seham ..... unless they're all willing to accept that it is indeed the TWU/IAM and their lawyers that have caused all the problems for their memberships
 
The explanation is the APA membership at that time wanted, voted for, and got it. 
 
Isn't that the standard last answer for the TWU/IAM apologists?  "The membership voted for it"

 

[xUT]

 
An almost 10 year old opinion/blog entry from the website of a somewhat shady wannbe politician .... how long did it take you to blow the dust off that one?

That's always their 'holy grail'.
Obfuscate, disinformation, lie, wash, rinse and repeat.
Just like the reamsters!
😛

 

[Bogey]

Whoa there......In case you missed it, the title of this topic is MORE GROUPS WANTING TO FIRE THE TWU..... So why NOT bring up amfa, iam, mechanics. etc....Amfa or the IAM as an alternative to the TWU...ANd since the MECHANICS are part of the TWU..are we not allowed to post in this topic?

Ok. You are right.

 

[MetalMover]

Ok. You are right.

I'll be the first to admit many topics get hijacked,,but definitely not this one....

 

[Overspeed]

ThirdSeatHero,
Understand the proposal was rejected by the committee. Looking at the pay scales as what should be the starting point for the TWU once JCBA negotiations start.

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

ThirdSeatHero,
Understand the proposal was rejected by the committee. Looking at the pay scales as what should be the starting point for the TWU once JCBA negotiations start.

 
Certain portions in it were passed across the table, but there was never any proposal.
 
The presentation you have was created by UAL labor relations and distributed via company intranet directly to the membership bypassing the committee.  While their motives were fairly obvious it didn't have the desired result - for UAL or the committee