More Groups Wanting To Fire The TWU

[ThirdSeatHero]

I've lost track? I change out my underwear less than you guys go through Unions. Who's next? The UFCWU?

 
3 unions and you've lost track? 
 
Must not be very sharp if you can't follow 3 steps - good luck with that

 

[WeAAsles]

3 unions and you've lost track? 
 
Must not be very sharp if you can't follow 3 steps - good luck with that

Well whoever you guys got this time at least I hope you support each other? Or is there another card drive going on again?

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

Well whoever you guys got this time at least I hope you support each other? Or is there another card drive going on again?

 
Teamsters lied to get on the property here just like they tried to do at AA & US - Yes there is a drive going on here

 

[WeAAsles]

Teamsters lied to get on the property here just like they tried to do at AA & US - Yes there is a drive going on here

So you're going for a 4th group or do you want to get back something you already dumped?

CWA maybe?

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

So you're going for a 4th group or do you want to get back something you already dumped?

CWA maybe?

 
Yes, there's an AMFA drive here at UAL

 

[WeAAsles]

 
Yes, there's an AMFA drive here at UAL

Oy vey, no kidding? SMH. (I'm not putting them down)

I wonder sometimes if the AMFA leaders are satisfied with having just the two groups they got now?

The reality is that even guys on here have said often that they don't hear anything from AMFA National. Grass roots or not maybe they're tired of the roller coaster headache and are very cool and satisfied with serving SWA and AK?

Maybe they're too polite to say it?

 

[Vortilon]

 

 
That is the best you've got?  You couldn't come up with one thing that wasn't already a gimme!  Pathetic!  I wouldn't want a "lower your expectations" kinda guy like you negotiating on my behalf for anything.  BTW, nobody working for AMFA is telling me they are gonna make things better; although, things couldn't possibly get any worse with AMFA. (LMFAO)  Your pension? had the TWU been more involved - we probably would have lost that completely.  Everything they touch - just turns to shite.

Have you spoken to Swamp or seen the updates over there? You want me to post some of them? They're not very purdy.
 
 

 
I would love to have their pay and benefits.  They are very "purdy" as you put it.  So really, whats to laugh about?  You do realize that because of the huge pay and benefit disparity between the AMFA represented, and the IAM, TWU, and IBT represented AMTs (excluding UPS AMTs), it makes it tougher to negotiate.  Deny it all you want.  Save your breath on the scope clause difference, and AMT ratios per aircraft.  Not buying into the BS fear.  The capacity isn't there to accommodate even part of AAs overhaul requirements.  On top of that, the quality of the product produced by third party maintenance vendors is sub par, and the company knows this.  That topic was covered by Bob quite well, and I agree with his assertion.

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

Oy vey, no kidding? SMH. (I'm not putting them down)

I wonder sometimes if the AMFA leaders are satisfied with having just the two groups they got now?

The reality is that even guys on here have said often that they don't hear anything from AMFA National. Grass roots or not maybe they're tired of the roller coaster headache and are very cool and satisfied with serving SWA and AK?

Maybe they're too polite to say it?

 
Maybe they are, why don't you ask them?

 

[Hackman]

I've lost track? I change out my underwear less than you guys go through Unions. Who's next? The UFCWU?

Is that the same underwear your mom wrote your name on? Ewe wee.....Clean your room in the basement, its a mess.  I'd take the Kazoo Players International over the worthless and inept TWu Company Union.  Never have seen a concession that the TWu doesn't accept, no Bankruptcy needed.

 

[WeAAsles]

 
Maybe they are, why don't you ask them?

There was a guy from SWA who came on here a couple of months ago who basically said it. Besides that there really have been posters on here who have said "How come we don't hear from AMFA National"?

I'm really not making that up. So that's why I have to ask if they really want to represent more people? I think the guys in the leadership positions are happy with who they represent now? If you or AA get in they know that they'll be voted out just because of the sheer size of the new groups. Why would they really want that? They're getting paid to be in those positions.

Not wanting you is a great way to hold on to those Leather chairs.

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

There was a guy from SWA who came on here a couple of months ago who basically said it. Besides that there really have been posters on here who have said "How come we don't hear from AMFA National"?

I'm really not making that up. So that's why I have to ask if they really want to represent more people? I think the guys in the leadership positions are happy with who they represent now? If you or AA get in they know that they'll be voted out just because of the sheer size of the new groups. Why would they really want that? They're getting paid to be in those positions.

Not wanting you is a great way to hold on to those Leather chairs.

 
Like I said .....why don't you ask them?

 

[WeAAsles]

 

 


 
That is the best you've got?  You couldn't come up with one thing that wasn't already a gimme!  Pathetic!  I wouldn't want a "lower your expectations" kinda guy like you negotiating on my behalf for anything.  BTW, nobody working for AMFA is telling me they are gonna make things better; although, things couldn't possibly get any worse with AMFA. (LMFAO)  Your pension? had the TWU been more involved - we probably would have lost that completely.  Everything they touch - just turns to shite.

Have you spoken to Swamp or seen the updates over there? You want me to post some of them? They're not very purdy.
 
 

 
I would love to have their pay and benefits.  They are very "purdy" as you put it.  So really, whats to laugh about?  You do realize that because of the huge pay and benefit disparity between the AMFA represented, and the IAM, TWU, and IBT represented AMTs (excluding UPS AMTs), it makes it tougher to negotiate.  Deny it all you want.  Save your breath on the scope clause difference, and AMT ratios per aircraft.  Not buying into the BS fear.  The capacity isn't there to accommodate even part of AAs overhaul requirements.  On top of that, the quality of the product produced by third party maintenance vendors is sub par, and the company knows this.  That topic was covered by Bob quite well, and I agree with his assertion.

 



Why should I save my breath on that if you are going to make a comment right after. Honestly I hope you and Bob, or Bob is, are right.

Quite the contrary if you don't think I want ALL of your group to make as much money as possible. Hopefully the supply and demand really is coming your way now?

 

[WeAAsles]

 
Like I said .....why don't you ask them?

You really think that would be something they would be honest with? Really?

BTW you guys should have posted this before I did.

AURORA, Colo., May 9, 2015 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- It is with a heavy heart that the National Executive Council (NEC) of the Aircraft Mechanics Fraternal Association (AMFA) announces the passing of our founder, O.V. Delle-Femine. Dell, as he was affectionately known by members and supporters alike, succumbed to illness on Thursday afternoon after putting up the toughest fight of his life. Our thoughts and prayers are with Dell's family, friends, and supporters during this difficult time.

http://www.aviationpros.com/press_release/12072676/amfa-founder-delle-femine-passes

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

You really think that would be something they would be honest with? Really?

BTW you guys should have posted this before I did.

AURORA, Colo., May 9, 2015 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- It is with a heavy heart that the National Executive Council (NEC) of the Aircraft Mechanics Fraternal Association (AMFA) announces the passing of our founder, O.V. Delle-Femine. Dell, as he was affectionately known by members and supporters alike, succumbed to illness on Thursday afternoon after putting up the toughest fight of his life. Our thoughts and prayers are with Dell's family, friends, and supporters during this difficult time.

http://www.aviationpros.com/press_release/12072676/amfa-founder-delle-femine-passes

 
I suspect they'd be at least as honest as your would-be IAM/TWU leaders  .... what was it you said?
 
....Why would they really want that? They're getting paid to be in those positions....
 
Funny thing - that explains the IAM/TWU motivation on representational elections (or lack thereof) just as nicely.
 
 
I was notified about Delle the afternoon it happened, For my part, I felt no need to post it here. 

 

[WeAAsles]

I was notified about Delle the afternoon it happened, For my part, I felt no need to post it here. 

Whether or not I agree or disagree with many of you who post on here I will out of respect for this man who had his own vision that will carry on even in his absence, step away from the back and forth for the evening. 

I don't know anything personal about the man but I'm sure among many of his peers he earned their respect and for many of you also, him and his family should be in your thoughts and prayers.

May he rest in peace and go with honor.