More Groups Wanting To Fire The TWU

[swamt]

"AMT hating"? Never. So the TWU hates AMTs because they kept more working for far above MRO wages for years while AMFA succeeded in sending more in-house AMT jobs to low wage MROs than all other unions combined? Okay.
 
And who is someone who educate themselves on unions and the industry bad? You prefer misinformed people who tell you anything to get elected better? Then keep signing AMFA cards and voting for people who promise everything and deliver nothing. It's working great for you as we can all see by how you continue you to post how miserable you are.
 
Personally? My TWU bargained for wages have given me a good wage and I still have over 27 years of pension that I will still get which is far more than the ones that ended at UA, NW, and DL in 2003/2004. Good healthcare for my family has been good too.
 
You have at least more nine more years pension thanks to the TWU. When you start receiving your checks when you retire as you cash them think of Uncle Jim Little who fought to keep it going while the vote no coalition were hoping for full pay until BK in 2003.

WRONG, WRONG, WRONG!!!  AMFA has not sent out more in house ANT jobs than any other union, PERIOD!  Your beloved TWU (concessions agreeing union) is the winner in this catagory.  Over the last several decades the TWU has agreed to and sold to the membership to get rid of over 50% of the amt jobs at AA. From over 18,000 to now 8,800 or less. AND, they are still laying off and getting rid of more jobs as we speak. Get a clue dude, you have no idea what you preach...
 

Oy vey, no kidding? SMH. (I'm not putting them down)

I wonder sometimes if the AMFA leaders are satisfied with having just the two groups they got now?

The reality is that even guys on here have said often that they don't hear anything from AMFA National. Grass roots or not maybe they're tired of the roller coaster headache and are very cool and satisfied with serving SWA and AK?

Maybe they're too polite to say it?

You wonder huh?  Again, GET A CLUE.  Gather information before you post. You are now in the group of WT and 700, by all means please keep posting...
 

There was a guy from SWA who came on here a couple of months ago who basically said it. Besides that there really have been posters on here who have said "How come we don't hear from AMFA National"?

I'm really not making that up. So that's why I have to ask if they really want to represent more people? I think the guys in the leadership positions are happy with who they represent now? If you or AA get in they know that they'll be voted out just because of the sheer size of the new groups. Why would they really want that? They're getting paid to be in those positions.

Not wanting you is a great way to hold on to those Leather chairs.

You ARE making that up.  They are not getting paid to be in those positions like your union is getting paid hands down. AGAIN get a clue...

 

[WeAAsles]

You ARE making that up.  They are not getting paid to be in those positions like your union is getting paid hands down. AGAIN get a clue...

http://kcerds.dol-es...OrgQryResult.do

Once at this DOL site, find the tab Union Name by Abbreviation and go to the down arrow.

AMFA apparently likes to make it difficult to look up information and often changes the abbreviation. They are now listed as FAAM-AIRCRAFT MECHANICS ASN IND. They are listed near the top. Leave the rest of the sheet blank (no check marks) and click the submit button at the bottom of the page.

The next page will show you a results table and will have all the locals and amfa national. Just find the amfa local and tax year you want to research and click the highlighted link.
 

 

[WeAAsles]

Other interesting reading with a very simple easy search.
 
Finally, although certain entities and individuals are required to file reports under the LMRDA, the AMFA’s arrangement with the McCormick Group to perform all of the union’s administrative functions may conceal otherwise reportable information from the public and from union members. AMFA was informed that the new electronic Form LM-2 will require disbursements to be listed in separate functional categories: representational activities; political activities and lobbying; contributions, gifts, and grants; general overhead; and union administration. This presentation will provide a more detailed accounting of the funding dedicated to the contract staff than was required in the prior Form LM-2.

http://www.dol.gov/olms/regs/compliance/I-CAP_closing_letters/AMFA_ICAP_07-26-05.pdf

Swamt it's very easy for you it seems to call individuals who provide links, liars. Twist whatever you want but I read and post the links Brother.

 

[chilokie1]

 
Other interesting reading with a very simple easy search.
 
Finally, although certain entities and individuals are required to file reports under the LMRDA, the AMFA’s arrangement with the McCormick Group to perform all of the union’s administrative functions may conceal otherwise reportable information from the public and from union members. AMFA was informed that the new electronic Form LM-2 will require disbursements to be listed in separate functional categories: representational activities; political activities and lobbying; contributions, gifts, and grants; general overhead; and union administration. This presentation will provide a more detailed accounting of the funding dedicated to the contract staff than was required in the prior Form LM-2.

http://www.dol.gov/olms/regs/compliance/I-CAP_closing_letters/AMFA_ICAP_07-26-05.pdf

Swamt it's very easy for you it seems to call individuals who provide links, liars. Twist whatever you want but I read and post the links Brother.
 

Who is twisting the truth Weasel? Guys read the link !!
 
The ICAP auditors  were clearly not used to a union having a separate company do 
do all the day to day financial dealings and reports.
 I remember going to an AMFA Q&A and they were very upfront with having a separate 
company do the books! And they gave the reasoning for it.
 We have all seen FAA audit reports and write ups like "out of date duct tape in shop"
And our fix in the follow up "removed date stamp and marked tape roll with a red X, indicating 
non-aircraft part, and placed in a non-aircraft parts area", airline saved!!!
 
The only question I have (this report is from 2005) has the McCormick Group (or their replacement if so)
done a good job for the members reporting the AMFA financials to them? 

 

[Vortilon]

 
Other interesting reading with a very simple easy search.
 
Finally, although certain entities and individuals are required to file reports under the LMRDA, the AMFA’s arrangement with the McCormick Group to perform all of the union’s administrative functions may conceal otherwise reportable information from the public and from union members. AMFA was informed that the new electronic Form LM-2 will require disbursements to be listed in separate functional categories: representational activities; political activities and lobbying; contributions, gifts, and grants; general overhead; and union administration. This presentation will provide a more detailed accounting of the funding dedicated to the contract staff than was required in the prior Form LM-2.

http://www.dol.gov/olms/regs/compliance/I-CAP_closing_letters/AMFA_ICAP_07-26-05.pdf

Swamt it's very easy for you it seems to call individuals who provide links, liars. Twist whatever you want but I read and post the links Brother.
 

 
Just a common, unassuming ramper working in MIA that just happens to have a fasination with the AMT's union representation?  I could care less who represents any other work group on the property.  I don't stick my two cents in on FSC threads, Pilot threads, or FA threads.  That seems to be the norm.  Then, there is you.  The guy with the fabricated back story.  Mr. copy and paste.  It is so obvious - your International handlers are pulling your strings to continue posting on this BB.  You have zero cred here.  No AMT is gonna trust anything you post. 

 

[WeAAsles]

Who is twisting the truth Weasel? Guys read the link !!
 

What truth? I didn't say anything. I just posted a link.
 

The ICAP auditors  were clearly not used to a union having a separate company do 
do all the day to day financial dealings and reports.
 I remember going to an AMFA Q&A and they were very upfront with having a separate 
company do the books! And they gave the reasoning for it.
 We have all seen FAA audit reports and write ups like "out of date duct tape in shop"
And our fix in the follow up "removed date stamp and marked tape roll with a red X, indicating 
non-aircraft part, and placed in a non-aircraft parts area", airline saved!!!
 
The only question I have (this report is from 2005) has the McCormick Group (or their replacement if so)
done a good job for the members reporting the AMFA financials to them? 

It's the DOL that questioned them. I would assume they are doing a much better job at reporting their information now and are not "concealing" anything as that report (Yes from 10 years ago) questioned?

 

[WeAAsles]

 
Just a common, unassuming ramper working in MIA that just happens to have a fasination with the AMT's union representation?  I could care less who represents any other work group on the property.  I don't stick my two cents in on FSC threads, Pilot threads, or FA threads.  That seems to be the norm.  Then, there is you.  The guy with the fabricated back story.  Mr. copy and paste.  It is so obvious - your International handlers are pulling your strings to continue posting on this BB.  You have zero cred here.  No AMT is gonna trust anything you post. 

I don't need credibility for myself personally. Swamt claimed that leadership in the AMFA organization are not being paid in the performance of their duties and I posted the link to the DOL information that proves he was lying.

Why would HE say that they're not being paid? Even leadership in charity organizations get paid.

"No AMT is gonna trust anything you post"

Why should they? I mean even if there are links that prove items it's far better I guess to discount them no matter who is the source or who provided that source. 

I guess it's preferable to have your flock where blinders even if you are maybe trying to lead them over a cliff (Or especially so)
 

 

[chilokie1]

What truth? I didn't say anything. I just posted a link.
 

It's the DOL that questioned them. I would assume they are doing a much better job at reporting their information now and are not "concealing" anything as that report (Yes from 10 years ago) questioned?

I thought you said you just posted? Guys the report only stated 
they needed to change the way they reported the financials on 
a new electronic form. In no way did the report insinuate that
funds were hidden or misappropriated, only that the way they
were doing it funds could be hidden from the membership. 
 This was an audit ! They looked at the books nothing found or
they would have clearly put it in the report. It was only a clerical 
change order, just like this obviously intentional egregious error.
 
"Reporting Deficiencies-LMRDA Section 201"
 
  #5 Receipts listed in schedule 14 from "Patches, Pins & Stickers" should have
been reported in Item 45, Sale Of Supplies.  
 
Wow that error should have had heads roll!   Anymore interesting reads Weasel ? 

 

[WeAAsles]

 
Wow that error should have had heads roll!   Anymore interesting reads Weasel ?
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I'm not the one looking to hire or get the group into my workplace. If I'm not interested in getting any more credit cards in my wallet, I just throw out all the offers that come in the mail.

 

[Vortilon]

I don't need credibility for myself personally. Swamt claimed that leadership in the AMFA organization are not being paid in the performance of their duties and I posted the link to the DOL information that proves he was lying.

Why would HE say that they're not being paid? Even leadership in charity organizations get paid.

"No AMT is gonna trust anything you post"

Why should they? I mean even if there are links that prove items it's far better I guess to discount them no matter who is the source or who provided that source. 

I guess it's preferable to have your flock where blinders even if you are maybe trying to lead them over a cliff (Or especially so)
 

 
Are you suggesting that the AMFA leadership is hiding something?  Here's the difference, if they were, and I doubt it, they can be easily removed from office.  This in contrast to the TWU or IAM, who have layers of beurocracy to hide behind, and or cover up.
 
Tell you what, copynpaste boy, find us some links proving the TWU or IAM would be better for AA AMTs pay and benefits than having the AMFA. 

 

[WeAAsles]

Tell you what, copynpaste boy, find us some links proving the TWU or IAM would be better for AA AMTs pay and benefits than having the AMFA. 

Ok. This story would always be all I ever need.

 

The resolution to the strike was a complete surrender by a beaten AMFA. The agreement placed every striking member on layoff status with a severance payment of one week per year (max 5 weeks). AMFA agreed to a "No Retribution, Retaliation or Harassment Due to Participation or Non-Participation in the Strike or Permanent Replacement Status." In short, the scabs kept their jobs while the strikers lost theirs. AMFA Northwest mechanics
were reduced to about 500 scabs, most of whom were laid off before the "suicide strike."

 
After the merger with Delta, AMFA extinguished their certification with no fight at all.
 
- See more at: http://www.usaamerger.com/amfa-northwest/#sthash.qPG7XkqK.dpuf


 

 

[chilokie1]

 

Ok. This story would always be all I ever need.

 

The resolution to the strike was a complete surrender by a beaten AMFA. The agreement placed every striking member on layoff status with a severance payment of one week per year (max 5 weeks). AMFA agreed to a "No Retribution, Retaliation or Harassment Due to Participation or Non-Participation in the Strike or Permanent Replacement Status." In short, the scabs kept their jobs while the strikers lost theirs. AMFA Northwest mechanics
were reduced to about 500 scabs, most of whom were laid off before the "suicide strike."

 
After the merger with Delta, AMFA extinguished their certification with no fight at all.
 
- See more at: http://www.usaamerger.com/amfa-northwest/#sthash.qPG7XkqK.dpuf


 
 

Another Paul Harvey Moment, "And Now The Rest Of The Story"
 
How many retired IAM & TWU mechanics crossed the picket line to keep 
the FAA from shutting Northwest down? An elected AMFA officer told me
he witnessed it happening, I know a piece of shite former AA mechanic 
and AMFA hater who retired at AA, he went to work for Northwest on
a short term bases to help satisfy the FAA.
 
Watch "Redtails" a documentary that tells the real story.

 

[WeAAsles]

Another Paul Harvey Moment, "And Now The Rest Of The Story"
 
How many retired IAM & TWU mechanics crossed the picket line to keep 
the FAA from shutting Northwest down? An elected AMFA officer told me
he witnessed it happening, I know a piece of shite former AA mechanic 
and AMFA hater who retired at AA, he went to work for Northwest on
a short term bases to help satisfy the FAA.
 
Watch "Redtails" a documentary that tells the real story.

Irrelevant. If they asked for assistance and didn't receive it or they never asked for assistance but none was offered anyway. You can fill the story with anything you want in the middle but it still had the same ending, didn't it. 
 
AMFA was in complete isolation, true to its long standing philosophy of "going it alone." AMFA proceeded to strike Northwest Airlines without taking a strike vote, putting Northwest's last best offer to a vote or having a strike fund. Northwest's final offer, albeit a tough pill to swallow, contained job protection for 2,700 mechanics, two weeks of severance pay for each year of service (max 26 weeks) and included company medical benefits for 26 weeks for those members subject to a reduction. AMFA members never got to vote of this offer, or two subsequent offers. -

See more at: http://www.usaamerger.com/amfa-northwest/#sthash.qPG7XkqK.dpuf

And that last part sounds exactly like what you all constantly say that the TWU and IAM leaders do. Give the members NO CHOICE.

NO CHOICE

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

 




Irrelevant. If they asked for assistance and didn't receive it or they never asked for assistance but none was offered anyway. You can fill the story with anything you want in the middle but it still had the same ending, didn't it. 
 
AMFA was in complete isolation, true to its long standing philosophy of "going it alone." AMFA proceeded to strike Northwest Airlines without taking a strike vote, putting Northwest's last best offer to a vote or having a strike fund. Northwest's final offer, albeit a tough pill to swallow, contained job protection for 2,700 mechanics, two weeks of severance pay for each year of service (max 26 weeks) and included company medical benefits for 26 weeks for those members subject to a reduction. AMFA members never got to vote of this offer, or two subsequent offers. -

See more at: http://www.usaamerger.com/amfa-northwest/#sthash.qPG7XkqK.dpuf

And that last part sounds exactly like what you all constantly say that the TWU and IAM leaders do. Give the members NO CHOICE.

NO CHOICE
 

 
You're touting a story about AMFA from an IAM blog site .... yea that's clearly an unbiased source.
 
GMAFB!

 

[WeAAsles]

 
You're touting a story about AMFA from an IAM blog site .... yea that's clearly an unbiased source.
 
GMAFB!

Ok then here is a writing from a supporter to the cause to be fair. Still irrelevant though because the end of the story doesn't change.

 

With the bankruptcy, strikers see the potential for a larger fight that would pull in other unions as NWA pushes even harder for concessions. If one or more of the unions representing flight attendants, pilots, or ramp and gate agents are drawn in, there is the chance that they may end up on the picket lines themselves. A broader strike involving flight crews could raise pressure on the company by grounding many of its flights.

Commenting on the need for urgent action, the Airline Workers News Service wrote: “Union members at Northwest are facing their own version of Hurricane Katrina. Unfortunately, we are all below sea level. Time is running out… If union members in the [Professional Flight Attendant Association] and IAM do not act soon to aid mechanics, cleaners and custodians, Northwest will simply dictate terms and destroy unions, contracts, and livelihoods.”
 
The question is: will these unions act and will it be enough?

 
- See more at: http://www.labornotes.org/2005/09/northwest-pushes-%e2%80%98permanent-solution%e2%80%99-union-problem#sthash.BMAREHGe.dpuf