LUS/AA Below wing issues

[Rogallo]

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[blue collar]

Yeah, you can have a ton of different dates. I never understood why you don't just have company time, and one date as your classification/occupation. Not part time fleet/full time fleet/lead fleet or mechanic/lead/inspector/lead inspector time, but just one date that you entered your classification that's used for everything except vacation bidding/accrual.

 

[Rogallo]

Say I have 30 yrs of company time and only 20 years at AA. I get to bid vacation with my 20 yrs at AA before a guy with 25 years at AA?
 
Why the double standard?
 
It has to work for everything. It's only logical.

 

[blue collar]

Say I have 30 yrs of company time and only 20 years at AA. I get to bid vacation with my 20 yrs at AA before a guy with 25 years at AA?
 
Why the double standard?
 
It has to work for everything. It's only logical.

Your question makes no sense.

The way I see it, you would use your 30 years company time to bid vacation, using the numbers from your example.

 

[700UW]

Vacation accrual is by company time.

 

[Rogallo]

Your question makes no sense.

The way I see it, you would use your 30 years company time to bid vacation, using the numbers from your example.

 
You're right. It makes no sense.
 
I get to bid vacation first with 20 years at AA over someone with 25 years at AA. 

 

[mike33]

 
You're right. It makes no sense.
 
I get to bid vacation first with 20 years at AA over someone with 25 years at AA. 

Never heard of that ever happening

 

[Rogallo]

Never heard of that ever happening

 
I've done it every year for the last 20 yrs! 
 
I bid my vacation before other employees with more time at AA then me.
 
 
Point being. Company time is good enough for vacation bidding but not for shifts and days off?

 

[robbedagain]

here is one more thing I hope can be cleaned up in the JCBA talks...
 
You cannot do more than 1 back to back doubles via swaps  yet youre allowed to have vitually unlimited OT all you want??   its almost like its designed to go against you if you will and more towards the company.    I say this bec I know peeps in my sta who would love to do more swaps but cant due to back to back limits.
 
also  the cleaning that we were supposed to get back has not occurred  which does not shock me  given how our station is run.  

 

[Kev3188]

...or maybe the JNC negotiates a wage high enough that people suddenly lose a lot of interest in working OT?
 
...Or maybe people quit working it and it drives hiring...
 
Won't speak for anyone else, but the ramp is an awful (and dangerous) place to consistently work short...

 

[robbedagain]

Agree kev sadly weve been short on ramp for yrs in my station and it sure doesnt help matters when we top the list of having many OJIs i wont get into the hiring thing but most of them..well u know the rest bro... we have not had any quit so far some fired yes

 

[topDawg]

 
You seem to shoulder this unwavering commitment to save the world from unemployment and the underemployed. But in truth you would vote yes to job cuts for better pay. This is called "self preservation." It is also instinctual. In life the smart ones feed off the stupid ones, figure out which one you are. Outsourcing is inevitable and withing the next 5-10 years, the only stations TWU/IAM will have is DFW, LAX, ORD, JFK, and MIA. But rest assured this is happening ALL over the world, with any company that has employees. We are just about 3 years from the congressional hearings that approved the merger with AA/US. Lets see if Doug's and Tom's promises hold true in the near future. Again you are just fooling yourself by saying "Yes I would sacrifice better pay to save jobs."  .. You would vote yes for money in exchange of less head count.

um no. I wouldn't. 
 
I did everything I could (which isn't much) to give Delta plans to save our jobs in BK. I was more than willing to give up more pay to save our overhauls, shop work and line stations that went to vendors. Not only did I work with a group of guys to save jobs, I wasn't even close to being laid off or even bumped down to ASM. I got to stay on as a AMT and work what I wanted to work. (granted I am one of those people who love weekend crew/midnight) 
 
Bob, I really hope that it doesn't happen to you some day, but I feel like you will be one of the geniuses that votes his own job away. 
 
When did you get hired? You talk like someone who has a 2010-2015 hire date. 
 

Gross.

this
 

 
Far from the mark. Self preservation and the Me, Me, Me attitude you portray plays right into the company's hand. Representation of 5 stations within a global carrier... good luck with that! That's right where the company would like you to be 5-10 years from now. So who is really the stupid one? The company continues to play the stupid ones. Take a look at the carnage left behind at UA while members voted for the money. Same strategy... contract after contract. Attitudes, such as the one you display, play right into the company's long term goals. Eliminate represented jobs, reduce leverage at the bargaining table, dictate a general reduction in wages and benefits in future contracts, as a result of the loss of this representation, and hope that the stupid continue to take the "self preservation" attitude and money you seem to endorse.  
 

exactly. The I got mine attitude is what has been screwing us over for years.
 
and uneducated people.......  
 

Sure it can happen here. When the folks with attitudes like bob@lasdfw become the majority (not to far away) then you will see the tide turn. If there are any positives to it, folks who normally have these views are folks with seniority dates such as bob of 2008 and those guys will vote themselves out of a job. Ignorance is bliss I guess.

yep. He will be begging for a cleaner job the minute AA finds a way to have him hit the streets. They always do. 

 

[700UW]

He was hired in 2008

 

[WorldTraveler]

um no. I wouldn't. 
 
I did everything I could (which isn't much) to give Delta plans to save our jobs in BK. I was more than willing to give up more pay to save our overhauls, shop work and line stations that went to vendors. Not only did I work with a group of guys to save jobs, I wasn't even close to being laid off or even bumped down to ASM. I got to stay on as a AMT and work what I wanted to work. (granted I am one of those people who love weekend crew/midnight)

the reason why DL and many companies don't cut EVERYONE's pay in order to keep work inhouse is because there is plenty of evidence that such a strategy doesn't work beyond saving jobs.

Having a workforce of underpaid workers relative to the market is a long-term burden to the entire workgroup while the remaining workgroup DOES get over the layoffs and move on - or most people do anyway. There are a few people who will never let go but the evidence is overwhelming that a program to cut costs has a far better chance of succeeding by removing people and keeping the remaining people at market pay than having the entire group working at below market rates.

I'm surprised that you didn't study stuff like that at UGA, dawg.

We need only look at this forum to realize that AA's below market rates for its mechanics is a source of ongoing displeasure among the workforce even though AA has managed to save more jobs.

 

[topDawg]

the reason why DL and many companies don't cut EVERYONE's pay in order to keep work inhouse is because there is plenty of evidence that such a strategy doesn't work beyond saving jobs.

that isn't completely true.
but you don't really know what you are talking about and this is the AA forum, so i wont pull a you and go way OT with it.

Having a workforce of underpaid workers relative to the market is a long-term burden to the entire workgroup while the remaining workgroup DOES get over the layoffs and move on - or most people do anyway. There are a few people who will never let go but the evidence is overwhelming that a program to cut costs has a far better chance of succeeding by removing people and keeping the remaining people at market pay than having the entire group working at below market rates.

at the time Delta wouldn't have been below market.

I'm surprised that you didn't study stuff like that at UGA, dawg.

I did. Studied many things.
Of course you wouldn't understand any of the above because you are just like bob, you get yours and you'd toss the rest of us right under the bus to get it. That is what anti-labor people do.

We need only look at this forum to realize that AA's below market rates for its mechanics is a source of ongoing displeasure among the workforce even though AA has managed to save more jobs.

So much displeasure that the majority of the work force voted it in?