LUS/AA Below wing issues

[700UW]

Mind your own business!

Understand the concept of a message board and understand the issue.

Seniority has already been agreed too.

 

[FLYING SOLO]

700, You are correct. But correct me if I'm wrong. What year did the US ramp go union and didn't they gain seniority by company time. I think your post might be a little misleading.

 

[700UW]

1995, they got seniority in the fence agreement.

 

[john john]

The members at UA voted down the first TA, surveys were conducted and they wanted money and retro over scope.

They voted on it, it was their choice.

But you know this and always want to portray the IAM as bad, yet the IAM fleet CBA at US s the best in the industry, just like the IAM CBA for RES and CSA at WN is also the best, better than your CWA CBA at US.

But you never bring that up.

How many times does the UA issue have to be explains to you?

And you do know the IAM had gotten about 1,000 jobs insourcing at UA, but yet you do t discuss that either. Don't be like world traveler

So why didn't the CWA at US get you the full value of the profit sharing?

CWA is hanging on to 3 mainline jets a day as well as express station in sourced. Does/Will WN have this? WN is having tuff time at the table as well, been in negotiation for a while Negotiations are tuff with management bringing UA like proposals. Hard to negotiate against some of the worst industry standard contract scope language in the passenger service agent class/craft. The path that IAM leadership allowed is being copy by the negotiators. A 1000 in sourced whipsawing jobs I guess IAM leadership open the door on this one... CWA still has profit sharing in the contract for 2015

 

[700UW]

WN and the IAM already settled try again.
 
The IAM has one flight a day on the ramp, to keep it a staffed station.
 
How is hard to negotiate, the IAM at US and WN got new CBAs AFTER the UA deal was done and been done?
 
Try again and dont let the facts get in your way.

 

[T5towbar]

The bigger question is WHY did the IAM leadership bring a POS contract to the membership to vote ? let be rephrase that. Why did the IAM leadership allow a 2nd vote on a POS contract ?

I've explained it many times: The bottom line was that PEOPLE TOOK THE MONEY!!!!!!!
 
I for one (being sCO) got nothing out of the deal. (full disclosure: I voted NO because I saw what what going to happen)
My hub got hit very hard before; (with the loss of Cargo and the bump) and after the deal (people lost their jobs or had to transfer or reduced to PT) went thru. So did DEN, as they also got whacked. So I knew if we voted YES the second time, it would be death for many.
The company and the District needed this to be passed (no matter how shitty, since they gave up leverage by not getting sUA a separate deal before joint talks. Wall & Bonds outmaneuvered the negotiators, and they came up with this (TA2 - just added and shifted the retro money). Plus no loss in dues for the District with the reduction of FT to PT for many. I think that the bloodletting has eased up (once the Point shakeup in the NYC area is done). Win for company. Win for District. Loss for the members.

 

[700UW]

Thank you T5, john john ALWAYS slams the IAM and then disappears.
 
He doesnt understand what happened and probably never will.
 
He didnt even know that WN and its IAM represented CSA and RES obtained a new CBA AFTER the UA CBA, as well as did PMUS Fleet get a new CBA with the best scope language.
 
He is another one who wont educate himself on reality of what transpired.

 

[ograc]

The below wing agreements at UA vs. US have stark differences in the scope language. One was agreed to post merger the other pre merger. It should lead to a better JCBA on the AA side. The proving/battleground ground will be the upcoming joint agreement negotiations for below wing members of the 'Association" on AA property. Lock and Load! 

 

[john john]

WN is having tuff time at the table as well, been in negotiation for a while Negotiations are tuff with management bringing UA like proposals.

This is LUS/AA Below wing issues that is what I was referring to


Southwest RAMP, OPERATIONS, PROVISIONING AND FREIGHT AGENTS contract became amendable JUNE 30, 2011
There has been a Lack of Progress of Negotiations for nearly 3.5 Years
Quit attacking the poster

 

[700UW]

That's the TWU, not the IAM.

 

[john john]

YEP

 

[T5towbar]

The below wing agreements at UA vs. US have stark differences in the scope language. One was agreed to post merger the other pre merger. It should lead to a better JCBA on the AA side. The proving/battleground ground will be the upcoming joint agreement negotiations for below wing members of the 'Association" on AA property. Lock and Load! 

I very much agree with your assessment, Ograc.
This is a completely different situation, in which you have much better leverage. Whatever scope you have must be kept and preserved. No matter how much money is thrown at you.
 
 

This is LUS/AA Below wing issues that is what I was referring to


Southwest RAMP, OPERATIONS, PROVISIONING AND FREIGHT AGENTS contract became amendable JUNE 30, 2011
There has been a Lack of Progress of Negotiations for nearly 3.5 Years
Quit attacking the poster

As far as the WN negotiations (which IMHO are being slowwalked), I don't know how that is going to play out since the pay and scope is the best in the industry. 
The company wants two main things: The freedom to outsource more; and the addition (by reduction) of more FT to PT. (We all have witnessed how those two things have played themselves out if agreed to) IMHO, will TWU sacrifice Pay Raises to preserve scope? How will the TWU play this one?

 

[Ramp Rogue]

700, You are correct. But correct me if I'm wrong. What year did the US ramp go union and didn't they gain seniority by company time. I think your post might be a little misleading.

No we did not gain seniority by company time.

 

[Kev3188]

Here's a question; could going to "straight DOH" across the board upend the Kasher ruling?

 

[700UW]

They got the time they started on the ramp and if they were part time on the ramp then went full time they got an adjusted date.

DOH was for travel, vacation accrual.