LUS/AA Below wing issues

[robbedagain]

From what I've been told here is that AA FSA did clean only on turns and thru flights. Now if u kindly go in the 2014 contract IAM one. Pg 16-17-18, read the paragraph. I would rather have it than see it gone bec that means mgmt wld have to get more help. But if we lose it then what more do u wish to lose Bob

 

[bob@las-AA]

From what I've been told here is that AA FSA did clean only on turns and thru flights. Now if u kindly go in the 2014 contract IAM one. Pg 16-17-18, read the paragraph. I would rather have it than see it gone bec that means mgmt wld have to get more help. But if we lose it then what more do u wish to lose Bob

Love your last line, BUT..... If not by the most remote of chances, day line comes back to LUS,
DFW should be able to get back....

Mail
T2T eagle
Cargo front line
Again sorry to bring bad news but...... Your can fill in the rest

 

[robbedagain]

While I cannot vouch for DFW or any hubs its my understanding the hub have never cleaned the through and turn flights, but I believe the sub paragraph in article 4  pages 16-18 is truly meant for the outlining cities.   Hubs will always have far more folks than a city the size of mine.   We may be losing our mail/freight but its only a rumor.    Not sure what T2T Eagle is.   In my sta we handle both commuters and mainline.   But I'm not going to allow our mgmt. stooges continue to balantly violate our contract   Enough is enough.     I can understand where your coming from bob  but when its clearly written in the contract and mgmt. is outsourcing it  time to file the grievance   It is covered work

 

[topDawg]

and you like 700 think it is ok to justify the actions of a workgroup because it was vote in... UA cut jobs because everyone was fixated by the big payout. the TWU has saved jobs at AA at the cost of everyone being paid less.

It is precisely the "I'll get mine and walk away" mindset that allowed the IAM to push thru the contract that it did at UA and why AA continues to get by with keeping mechanic pay below industry standards.

These boards would be a whole lot less busy if AA people made market comparable salaries in the areas where the TWU traded paycuts for retaining jobs.

A strategy of keeping a workforce paid below average relative to its peers in order to keep jobs doesn't work in the long run.

wow
You need help. 

 

[WorldTraveler]

the point is that across the board paycuts in order to save jobs doesn't work.

The evidence is abundant here as to why.

 

[robbedagain]

WT  stay off this particular thread  all you do is bring negativity here    youre not in the industry anymore  you have no flippin clue as to what goes on      
 
dawg  youre so right bro.   

 

[bob@las-AA]

the point is that across the board paycuts in order to save jobs doesn't work.The evidence is abundant here as to why.

I up voted ya on this one to get you out of the red.

The idea of employing masses of people and never getting raises is just ludicrous.

 

[bob@las-AA]

While I cannot vouch for DFW or any hubs its my understanding the hub have never cleaned the through and turn flights, but I believe the sub paragraph in article 4  pages 16-18 is truly meant for the outlining cities.   Hubs will always have far more folks than a city the size of mine.   We may be losing our mail/freight but its only a rumor.    Not sure what T2T Eagle is.   In my sta we handle both commuters and mainline.   But I'm not going to allow our mgmt. stooges continue to balantly violate our contract   Enough is enough.     I can understand where your coming from bob  but when its clearly written in the contract and mgmt. is outsourcing it  time to file the grievance   It is covered work

While I cannot vouch for DFW or any hubs its my understanding the hub have never cleaned the through and turn flights, but I believe the sub paragraph in article 4  pages 16-18 is truly meant for the outlining cities.   Hubs will always have far more folks than a city the size of mine.   We may be losing our mail/freight but its only a rumor.    Not sure what T2T Eagle is.   In my sta we handle both commuters and mainline.   But I'm not going to allow our mgmt. stooges continue to balantly violate our contract   Enough is enough.     I can understand where your coming from bob  but when its clearly written in the contract and mgmt. is outsourcing it  time to file the grievance   It is covered work

It might be covered under the PUS for now, but just brace yourself for what's coming once a JCBA is ready for a vote.

 

[bob@las-AA]

While I cannot vouch for DFW or any hubs its my understanding the hub have never cleaned the through and turn flights, but I believe the sub paragraph in article 4  pages 16-18 is truly meant for the outlining cities.   Hubs will always have far more folks than a city the size of mine.   We may be losing our mail/freight but its only a rumor.    Not sure what T2T Eagle is.   In my sta we handle both commuters and mainline.   But I'm not going to allow our mgmt. stooges continue to balantly violate our contract   Enough is enough.     I can understand where your coming from bob  but when its clearly written in the contract and mgmt. is outsourcing it  time to file the grievance   It is covered work

While I cannot vouch for DFW or any hubs its my understanding the hub have never cleaned the through and turn flights, but I believe the sub paragraph in article 4  pages 16-18 is truly meant for the outlining cities.   Hubs will always have far more folks than a city the size of mine.   We may be losing our mail/freight but its only a rumor.    Not sure what T2T Eagle is.   In my sta we handle both commuters and mainline.   But I'm not going to allow our mgmt. stooges continue to balantly violate our contract   Enough is enough.     I can understand where your coming from bob  but when its clearly written in the contract and mgmt. is outsourcing it  time to file the grievance   It is covered work

It might be covered under the PUS for now, but just brace yourself for what's coming once a JCBA is ready for a vote.

 

[robbedagain]

Bob it's covered now. I personally do not see why they need to remove it in JCBA. In fact we should not give a dam thing up. Company making billions in profits plus fees its time we gain more n have higher wages than before

 

[WorldTraveler]

WT  stay off this particular thread  all you do is bring negativity here    youre not in the industry anymore  you have no flippin clue as to what goes on      
 
dawg  youre so right bro.

I responded to a direct comment about the notion that cutting pay across the board doesn't work; the reference to DL came before me.

The principle is the same regardless of what companies it involves.

 
 

I up voted ya on this one to get you out of the red.

The idea of employing masses of people and never getting raises is just ludicrous.

thank you, sir.

If I learned anything in 10 plus years on internet chat forums, it is that some people don't want to hear the truth no matter who presents it - and some do all they can to lambast those who speak the truth.

You and I both know it doesn't work.

and you and I also know that work that has been lost is not coming back.

It just isn't.

The wisest people here acknowledge that the primary objective is to make sure that no more work gets outsourced. Given that there are different standards of work anytime two airlines merge, there is ALWAYS a risk that work will be lost.

 

[bob@las-AA]

WT ..... I haven't heard more true words than your last post.
LUS listen, as I sing you a song from my people......

CUTS are coming so prep for stormy days a comin!

 

[robbedagain]

Tell us Bob, why shld we take cuts when this airline reported heft profits. Fuel prices low and fees piling up?? There is absolutely no excuse for cuts as much as u n at want us to have. We got best scope in industry and w our current contract there shld only be enhancements

 

[WorldTraveler]

robbed,
there is absolutely no requirement for ANY business to share increasingly larger amounts of its wealth with labor just because the company is more profitable.

The DL pilots and the WN FAs all UNSUCCESSFULLY used that same argument, rejected TAs, and are sitting waiting for the next move.

the simple fact is that US labor has ALREADY seen large increases in the value of your CBA because of the merger.

That BEST scope that you tout is just ONE factor in the cost of a CBA and it might have very little real value to you if the company can schedule around it based on market and other network factors.

Parker paid handsomely to get labor peace as part of the merger and has invested in JCBAs so far where he though it necessary to do so but there is no assurance that what has been seen will be repeated. It is also very possible that because of the long CBAs that the pilots and FAs signed that those work groups will be well behind other competitors very soon.

Labor can kick and scream all they want that the airlines are hugely profitable and so labor should share in that wealth but there is no basis whatsoever for that actually working in real life, particularly since airline workers across the board are paid higher than their peers in comparable positions in other industries.

Bob is very likely more right than a lot of you want to believe.

the history of labor in the airline industry shows that the bar is usually lowered with time, and not raised.

the fact that people think that hitting a red button on a forum is changing that shows how disconnected so many are from reality and why they so often are proven wrong.

 

[Kev3188]

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