LUS/AA Below wing issues

[robbedagain]

guess he forgot that come Sept 14 the industry pay rate goes into effect.....   so that would not necessarily put AA not nearly at the bottom as he would love to see happen

 

[WorldTraveler]

and you like 700 think it is ok to justify the actions of a workgroup because it was vote in... UA cut jobs because everyone was fixated by the big payout. the TWU has saved jobs at AA at the cost of everyone being paid less.

It is precisely the "I'll get mine and walk away" mindset that allowed the IAM to push thru the contract that it did at UA and why AA continues to get by with keeping mechanic pay below industry standards.

These boards would be a whole lot less busy if AA people made market comparable salaries in the areas where the TWU traded paycuts for retaining jobs.

A strategy of keeping a workforce paid below average relative to its peers in order to keep jobs doesn't work in the long run.

 

[700UW]

Yet the IAM at UA brought in 1,000 jobs that were formally outsourced, show us where DL did that recently.

Show us where DL ramp got to negotiate in SLC, MEM, CVG or DTW to keep their jobs?

 

[WorldTraveler]

The total number of IAM represented jobs at UA is less than it was before the butcher showed up.

That's a fact.

Show us where the number of DL jobs in a category has been reduced. You can't because it didn't happen.

 

[700UW]

SLC, DTW, ANC, MEM, CVG, MCO, DFW........

 

[WorldTraveler]

The list of network changes does not at all equal where DL jobs have been outsourced... for any carrier

and show us the list of AA and UA closed cities.....

you won't.

 

[700UW]

I dont have too, but what you arent getting is the big picture.
UA, AA and US employees had a choice per their CBA and their vote, show us how DL ACS had a choice?
 
But you cant, as DL employees are employees at will and have no say in what DL does to them.
 
You only focus on wages, the total value of a CBA far exceeds just pay.
 
And if you read this thread T5towbar explains exactly what happened at UA, and he blames his coworkers.
 
And he is PMCO.
 
 

I've explained it many times: The bottom line was that PEOPLE TOOK THE MONEY!!!!!!!
 
I for one (being sCO) got nothing out of the deal. (full disclosure: I voted NO because I saw what what going to happen)
My hub got hit very hard before; (with the loss of Cargo and the bump) and after the deal (people lost their jobs or had to transfer or reduced to PT) went thru. So did DEN, as they also got whacked. So I knew if we voted YES the second time, it would be death for many.
The company and the District needed this to be passed (no matter how shitty, since they gave up leverage by not getting sUA a separate deal before joint talks. Wall & Bonds outmaneuvered the negotiators, and they came up with this (TA2 - just added and shifted the retro money). Plus no loss in dues for the District with the reduction of FT to PT for many. I think that the bloodletting has eased up (once the Point shakeup in the NYC area is done). Win for company. Win for District. Loss for the members.

 

[Kev3188]

The Delta forum is this-a-way:
 
http://www.airlineforums.com/forum/32-delta-air-lines/

 

[dfw gen]

The Delta forum is this-a-way:
 
http://www.airlineforums.com/forum/32-delta-air-lines/

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just makes the forum that much more enjoyable...

 

[bob@las-AA]

He was hired in 2008

 
Yes, that is correct, and I'm for the exception of just a few others on this board supplied a real likeness avatar also. I don't hide behind a false image. I also tell it like it is and have the right to express my opinion no matter how unpopular it may be. And yes I have received a few nasty grams warning me to repent and begged me to realign my misguided way of thinking. "700" you can spout out all you know or what you think you know of the meaning of a CBA, but in the end the company wins. As for the essence of this topic, I see no "under the wing issues."  

 

[robbedagain]

So Bob u don't believe tampers are working below the wing issue free???? I gotta tell u there are issues and its every station. For example in outlying cities such as mine I've contacted number of union reps bec our station mgr decided to give cleaning aircraft on thru and turns to an outfit called NAS. Clear cut violation

 

[bob@las-AA]

So Bob u don't believe tampers are working below the wing issue free???? I gotta tell u there are issues and its every station. For example in outlying cities such as mine I've contacted number of union reps bec our station mgr decided to give cleaning aircraft on thru and turns to an outfit called NAS. Clear cut violation

Because day-line cleaning is ALL contracted out in All TWU occupying stations, this is a non-issue. I was hired in LAS and we were thrilled not to have a three man crew load, unload, lav, and clean cabin. Getting it back will never increase head count.

 

[700UW]

Guess you dont realize he doesnt work under the AA ramp contract, as he is PMUS and works under the IAM/US CBA, which is different from yours.
 
And robbed I have touched base on what you wanted to know, waiting for an answer, will PM you when I get it.

 

[robbedagain]

Thank u so much bro.

 

[bob@las-AA]

Guess you dont realize he doesnt work under the AA ramp contract, as he is PMUS and works under the IAM/US CBA, which is different from yours.
 
And robbed I have touched base on what you wanted to know, waiting for an answer, will PM you when I get it.

And you think it would be any different under a JCBA? Sorry I don't think so ..... No Cabin for you!