Cav & 700... keep defending your Democratic buddies. With the exception of my former U stock, my portfolio has boomed since Bush took office. Job loss – I’ll repeat it again - it started way before the Clinton hillbillies left town. Also, need I remind you the massive losses in the stock market occurred in 2000. W didn't start work until 2001
Kerry And Usairways
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Your ignorance is not surprising. This ridiculous charge continues to flounder in left-wing websites where the light of truth seldom disturbs the cobwebs of leftists' minds.oldiebutgoody said:Since we're now discussing politics,
Bush went AWOL from the Air National Guard! I can't blame a guy for pulling strings to stay out of the military if it's something he disagrees with, but to go AWOL, then have Daddy get your butt out of trouble? Come on now!
The New York Times, no friend to conservatives, already researched this question.
Saturday, Jan. 24, 2004 3:05 p.m. EST
Bush 'Desertion' Charge Debunked
Did President Bush "desert" the military, as radical filmmaker Michael Moore insists he did?
Presidential candidate Gen. Wesley Clark suggested during New Hampshire's presidential debate Thursday night that the facts on whether Bush ran out on his National Guard unit in 1972 and 1973 are in dispute.
But in the months before the 2000 presidential election, the New York Times pretty much demolished this Democratic Party urban legend, a myth that first surfaced in its sister paper, the Boston Globe.
"For a full year, there is no record that Bush showed up for the periodic drills required of part-time guardsmen," the Globe insisted in May 2000, in a report Moore currently cites on his Web site to rebut ABC newsman Peter Jennings' debate challenge to Clark that the story is "unsupported by the facts."
"I don't know whether [Moore's desertion charge] is supported by the facts or not," Clark replied "I've never looked at it."
The Times did, however, look at it, and found that Bush had indeed served during part of the time the Globe had him AWOL - and later made up whatever time he missed after requesting permission for the postponement.
In July 2000 the Times noted that Bush's chief accuser in the Globe report, retired Gen. William Turnipseed, had begun to back away from his story that Bush never appeared for service during the time in question.
"In a recent interview," said the Times, "[Turnipseed] took a tiny step back, saying, 'I don't think he did, but I wouldn't stake my life on it.'" In fact, military records obtained by the Times showed that Turnipseed was wrong and that the Globe had flubbed the story.
"A review by The Times showed that after a seven-month gap, he appeared for duty in late November 1972 at least through July 1973," the paper noted on Nov. 3, 2000.
The Times explained:
"On Sept. 5, 1972, Mr. Bush asked his Texas Air National Guard superiors for assignment to the 187th Tactical Recon Group in Montgomery [Alabama] 'for the months of September, October and November,'" so Bush could manage the Senate campaign of Republican Winton Blount.
"Capt. Kenneth K. Lott, chief of the personnel branch of the 187th Tactical Recon Group, told the Texas commanders that training in September had already occurred but that more training was scheduled for Oct. 7 and 8 and Nov. 4 and 5."
After the Bush AWOL story had percolated for months, Col. Turnipseed finally remembered another glitch in his story: the fact that National Guard regulations allowed Guard members to miss duty as long as it was made up within the same quarter.
And, in fact - according to the Times - that's what Bush did.
"A document in Mr. Bush's military records," the paper said, "showed credit for four days of duty ending Nov. 29 and for eight days ending Dec. 14, 1972, and, after he moved back to Houston, on dates in January, April and May."
The paper found corroboration for the document, noting, "The May dates correlated with orders sent to Mr. Bush at his Houston apartment on April 23, 1973, in which Sgt. Billy B. Lamar told Mr. Bush to report for active duty on May 1-3 and May 8-10."
Yet another document obtained by the Times blew the Bush AWOL story out of the water.
It showed that Bush served at various times from May 29, 1973, through July 30, 1973 - "a period of time questioned by The Globe," the Times sheepishly admitted.
WAKE UP and do a little research before you make a fool of yourself. :down:
A10Pilot
Proudly served in Iraq as an activated Reservist... awaiting my return to airline flying. B)
Correct me if I am wrong....going back to the beginning of this thread...but I thought Ronald Reagan was responsible for deregulation. And wasn't it under his administration that ATC tried to go on strike and they were all fired or let go????
Also accoding to the so called experts that I was watching a 5am this morn, those that follow all of this political crap.....Dean is history and the Dem/s really have no one to really count on solidly. Maybe Kerry....but in my own humble opinion....he needs a frickin HAIR CUT.
Also accoding to the so called experts that I was watching a 5am this morn, those that follow all of this political crap.....Dean is history and the Dem/s really have no one to really count on solidly. Maybe Kerry....but in my own humble opinion....he needs a frickin HAIR CUT.
sentrido
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I couldnt find kerry's quote anywhere, but I found this:http://www.senate.gov/~commerce/hearings/0425Ker.PDFBaloo said:
Looks like we're going to be screwed no matter how we vote. Is it any wonder no one turns out anymore? :down:
Special Alert—CWA Endorses Sen. John Kerry for President
CWA today endorsed Sen. John Kerry for President. CWA gave careful and deliberate consideration to a presidential candidate whom we could recommend to our members. All of the candidates running for the Democratic Party nomination are friends of CWA members.
We looked for a candidate with a strong record of support for the issues that working families care about. We looked for a candidate that CWA members could unite behind. We looked for a candidate of vision and character with a message that will inspire the American people.
We believe Sen. John Kerry has the record, the vision and the message to defeat George Bush in November. CWA is proud to endorse Sen. John Kerry for President of the United States.
Sen. Kerry has a long record of service to our nation. He is a true hero. He knows what it means to fight for America both at home and in foreign lands. His character has been tested under fire.
John Kerry is the real deal. He's no photo op.
Sen. Kerry has a 97% CWA voting record and he is one of America's toughest advocates for jobs, affordable health care, fair trade and civil rights.
When CWA members fought for an ergonomics law and healthier workplaces, John Kerry stood with us. Last year John Kerry sponsored CWA's Consumer's Right-to-Know law to expose cut-rate call centers and protect good paying jobs. Now, John Kerry is backing our union's drive for fair labor laws including card check recognition and employer neutrality in organizing campaigns. John Kerry has also been with us on the front lines. In fact, in his home state of Massachusetts, John Kerry was on our side when CWA activists mobilized to organize workers at Lucent Technology.
He has proven himself a champion of working families and CWA members.
CWA urges that you give careful consideration to support Sen. John Kerry for the Democratic Party presidential nomination and for President on Nov. 7.
Special Alert—CWA Endorses Sen. John Kerry for President
CWA today endorsed Sen. John Kerry for President. CWA gave careful and deliberate consideration to a presidential candidate whom we could recommend to our members. All of the candidates running for the Democratic Party nomination are friends of CWA members.
We looked for a candidate with a strong record of support for the issues that working families care about. We looked for a candidate that CWA members could unite behind. We looked for a candidate of vision and character with a message that will inspire the American people.
We believe Sen. John Kerry has the record, the vision and the message to defeat George Bush in November. CWA is proud to endorse Sen. John Kerry for President of the United States.
Sen. Kerry has a long record of service to our nation. He is a true hero. He knows what it means to fight for America both at home and in foreign lands. His character has been tested under fire.
John Kerry is the real deal. He's no photo op.
Sen. Kerry has a 97% CWA voting record and he is one of America's toughest advocates for jobs, affordable health care, fair trade and civil rights.
When CWA members fought for an ergonomics law and healthier workplaces, John Kerry stood with us. Last year John Kerry sponsored CWA's Consumer's Right-to-Know law to expose cut-rate call centers and protect good paying jobs. Now, John Kerry is backing our union's drive for fair labor laws including card check recognition and employer neutrality in organizing campaigns. John Kerry has also been with us on the front lines. In fact, in his home state of Massachusetts, John Kerry was on our side when CWA activists mobilized to organize workers at Lucent Technology.
He has proven himself a champion of working families and CWA members.
CWA urges that you give careful consideration to support Sen. John Kerry for the Democratic Party presidential nomination and for President on Nov. 7.
Kev3188
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Apparently, time sweetens all memories, as the IAM has decided to endorse Kerry after all .
Article on IAM duplicity is here.
Article on IAM duplicity is here.
oldiebutgoody
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WAKE UP and do a little research before you make a fool of yourself. :down:
A10Pilot
Proudly served in Iraq as an activated Reservist... awaiting my return to airline flying. B) [/QUOTE]
As I did, as well. But I served MANY years on active duty also. My daddy didn't get me a job in the ANG to avoid the draft. YOU NEED TO DO YOU"RE HOMEWORK, LEST YOU LOOK LIKE A FOOL, MY FRIEND!
A10Pilot
Proudly served in Iraq as an activated Reservist... awaiting my return to airline flying. B) [/QUOTE]
As I did, as well. But I served MANY years on active duty also. My daddy didn't get me a job in the ANG to avoid the draft. YOU NEED TO DO YOU"RE HOMEWORK, LEST YOU LOOK LIKE A FOOL, MY FRIEND!
Kev3188
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700UW--
No, I don't expect them to endorse Bush; what I expect from my union is an endorsement of a canidate who did not at one time advocate the loss of 1000's of IAM jobs. :angry:
No, I don't expect them to endorse Bush; what I expect from my union is an endorsement of a canidate who did not at one time advocate the loss of 1000's of IAM jobs. :angry:
'Correct me if I am wrong....going back to the beginning of this thread...but I thought Ronald Reagan was responsible for deregulation. And wasn't it under his administration that ATC tried to go on strike and they were all fired or let go????'
The United States Airline Deregulation Act of 1978 was signed on October 24, 1978 by President Jimmy Carter, not by Ronald Reagan.
The United States Airline Deregulation Act of 1978 was signed on October 24, 1978 by President Jimmy Carter, not by Ronald Reagan.
sentrido
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January 11, 2001
The Honorable Rodney Slater
Secretary of Transportation
Department of Transportation
400 Seventh Street, SW
Washington, DC 20590
The Honorable A. Douglas Melamed
Acting Assistant Attorney General
Department of Justice
950 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW
Washington, DC 20530
Dear Secretary Slater and Assistant Attorney General Melamed:
As you know, I forwarded a letter to you last month opposing the proposed merger between United Airlines and US Airways on the grounds that it would be harmful to consumers. I put forth my belief that permitting the merger to go through would force the remaining major airlines to also merge, thereby leaving the industry with three major airlines, and leaving consumers with fewer choices and higher fares. Indeed, the recent announcement by American Airlines that it is negotiating to purchase TWA is a prominent example of such consolidation.
However, I am equally concerned that the government not take any action that would jeopardize the jobs of the thousands of employees of US Airways and United Airlines both in Massachusetts and across the nation. Protecting the jobs and benefits of the airlines’ employees remains one of our critical goals, and I strongly urge that your final decision on the proposed merger consider the fate of workers for US Airways and United Airlines and the families who depend on the airline industry for their security and economic well-being.
Sincerely,
John F. Kerry
United States Senator
The Honorable Rodney Slater
Secretary of Transportation
Department of Transportation
400 Seventh Street, SW
Washington, DC 20590
The Honorable A. Douglas Melamed
Acting Assistant Attorney General
Department of Justice
950 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW
Washington, DC 20530
Dear Secretary Slater and Assistant Attorney General Melamed:
As you know, I forwarded a letter to you last month opposing the proposed merger between United Airlines and US Airways on the grounds that it would be harmful to consumers. I put forth my belief that permitting the merger to go through would force the remaining major airlines to also merge, thereby leaving the industry with three major airlines, and leaving consumers with fewer choices and higher fares. Indeed, the recent announcement by American Airlines that it is negotiating to purchase TWA is a prominent example of such consolidation.
However, I am equally concerned that the government not take any action that would jeopardize the jobs of the thousands of employees of US Airways and United Airlines both in Massachusetts and across the nation. Protecting the jobs and benefits of the airlines’ employees remains one of our critical goals, and I strongly urge that your final decision on the proposed merger consider the fate of workers for US Airways and United Airlines and the families who depend on the airline industry for their security and economic well-being.
Sincerely,
John F. Kerry
United States Senator
